You are right. And you are right again. I knew the different pronuntiation of “c” or “z” as “s”, but I didn’t stop to try to know the reason, I think I see it now. They are pretty similar cases (“c/z” as “s”, “d” as “t”, “v” as “b”)
TIDE
Tiddler
Integrated
Development
Environment
Tiddler
Internet
Design
Enhancement
=> TIDEA. ??
TIDES
Tiddlywiki
Internet
Design
Exploration
System
Transclusionary
Interesting
Design
Expansion
System
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by this logic Tiddlywiki would need a name that is highly flexible in use and both used modernly and since old ages.
I’d wager something like IronNotes or being that it is based off a small fish, a tiddly, OceanWiki, where every tiddler is a fish?
@Pmario, is there a way to split this into a pre-existing tgread regarding the naming of TiddlyWiki? I’m on mobile and I can’t find the optionoption, I don’t recall if its possible to. 
(Nevermind! found the option haha)
Since @Justin_H quotes me on this, I will note that I have a difficult time conceiving of what a good alternative name would be, possibly because the obvious ones have been taken – Obsidian, Notion, EverNote… any derivation of those, I think, would not do TiddlyWiki justice.
And, as said in the quoted post, I don’t know that I am fully advocating for a name change, however:
In situations like this, I tend to think that it’s best to take a step back and try and change our thinking about things.
The TW cat, I believe, is a very good icon. People like cats, cats are internet, it’s simple, and it has good contrast. IMO, it’s the strongest TW brand-element.
Now, I don’t want us to think along the lines of CatNotes or anything like that. Again, we should be looking for things that combine imagery with the core philosophy – the latter being something to which the TiddlyWiki name was obviously aiming.
I don’t personally have the solution to this, but will say that the cat, as imagery, has special meaning to me because of the phrase “Borders are porous to cats.”
To me, the cat then is very appropriate imagery for TiddlyWIki which, compared to the other tools on the market, is all about breaking down barriers: not only because of it’s open source and highly customizable nature, and because the nonlinear style of notekeeping overcomes the “structural borders” of hierarchical notetaking, but because of its wide international community, and our community-values of mutual aid: supporting each other’s projects, finances, and enthusiasm as possible and appropriate, and prioritizing patience, respect, and understanding.
Without having done a deep-dive in any of the tools of the other communities mentioned, I really believe these are values that set us apart.
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On a bit more reflection, the other thing TiddlyWiki brings to mind are some of the principles outlined in Robert Pirsig’s books (particularly Lila in which he describes a zettelkasten system and goes into great detail about the nonlinear philosophy).
Those might be good places to look as well.
Sorry to reply to two threads… I realize this is the better thread on which to say:
TidWiki
is available as domain name. Lowest possible shiftover cost. Retains associations. Avoids the TiddlyGiggle effect.
It’s earlier in this thread, but I want to bump it for renewed consideration.
At the very least, scooping up the domains (.com and .org) — and putting in for whatever quasi-legal claims can be made — would be prudent … Such step would keep this most obvious option open.
Unsure about TidWiki, but I am sure that “the TiddlyGiggle effect” should be coined as a @Springer’ism
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I just have to share a recent anecdote. I was at a party with a fair amount of technically minded people in attendance. Started talking to this chap who was originally from the U.K., going on and on about wiki development … he asks me what I was using. “TiddlyWiki”. He just smiles and says, “Ahhh that’s a great name.” Says he didn’t need to write it down because he wasn’t going to forget it.
I know we like to beat ourselves up over what’s perceived to be an awkward name (especially true in America where I’ve seen plenty of mirth or skepticism directed at the name TiddlyWiki), but maybe we are overthinking it. This was a reminder to me of how cool this piece of software truly is … even its name.
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From a purely pragmatic perspective it’s much easier for me to pronounce “tiddlywiki”, than for example “featherwiki”. So if you treat the current name as an impediment in context of wider usage, if you’re considering a rebranding, make sure that then new name is not only cool meaning-wise, but also easy to pronounce by foreigners who don’t speak English natively 
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Obtidian. That will ruffle a few feathers and bring curious people here!
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FYI, the OED (canonical English) shows historically that “tidbits” and “titbits” meant the same. The main meaning being a “juicy morsel” (a small, delicous, snack of food).
In the UK, in the past (1886-1984), a common weekly magazine was TitBits / Tit-Bits. It pioneered “tabloid journalism” that led to “Page Three” bosoms.
TT
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Good point. But …
Wouldn’t we need a phonologist for that? I mean you gals & guys write in English. I have no Idea what your first language is, nor what phonics we may share.
A comment, TT
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is there a new thread for this? i just wanted to post this response to a recent conversation i had on another forum thread about note-taking software. i mentioned TW and it seemed to fit most of the person’s needs.
additionally they were considering creating their own note-taking software from scratch so it seemed they are the perfect target audience for the “TW platform” mentality. then they added this to the end of their message…
i explained to them the reasoning but i don’t think they will be looking further into TW.
i know us in this forum are used to all the lingo and don’t really think about it anymore, but i think this is a big problem and shouldn’t be understated / overlooked if we want to continue getting new users.
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Eagle-Rock-Knife-Fire is still available as a name
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I think we should take our queues off of the existing multi wiki solution Bob and go for something like Rita or Sue
</obscure 80s film reference>
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My first thought was that this couldn’t have been the 80’s, when I realized I was thinking about another multi-name Bob title. And, really, what about Bob?
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this aligns with where my thinking is about the name.
I don’t mind “Tiddlywiki” as a name, but I loathe the word “tiddlers” - all my own writings use “tidbits” - which I arrived at independently to seeing the same suggestion above a couple of years ago, and generally if I’m writing about tiddlywiki online, any first mention of “tiddlers” will be follows with “(yeah, I hate that name too)”
FWIW, I have an explanation for why “tiddlers” is distasteful to me but it took a long time to work out. For ages I could only explain it as being like how some people find the word ‘moist’ uncomfortable, but turned up to eleven. Anyway, I’m not going to elaborate on the forums because it may be one of those things that once you see it, you can’t unsee it, especially if you’re Australian - and wonder if the person on that other forum was Australian?)
Anyway, my 2c to the broader topic: I’d go with “TidWiki” with content blocks called “tidbits”. (link to earlier discussion in this thread about “tidwiki” and “tidbits”: Let's brainstorm a name for the next version of TiddlyWiki - #79 by ohok )
In fact, changing a product’s name or logo midway can be highly disruptive from multiple perspectives. As for whether the new name is good or not, that’s an extremely subjective matter.
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You are right, but there are several discussions here in the forum and in the old GoogleGroup, that point out the main problems.
In English
- “tiddly” can mean: “drunk” or “small”.
So if users talk about TW in eg: podcasts the first “joke” is a given. While having a laugh at the beginning of a conversation generally is a good thing. If it is in context of a wiki being associated to be “tiddly” = “drunk”, it is problematic.
- “tiddler” is very similar to “toddler”, which is a small child.
So the association here can be ham-fisted or ham-handed, which is OK for cat- or baby-videos, but not really for a professional note taking software.
See: Self-hosted podcast: Which Wiki Wins
- 10:00 … about why using a wikis
- 19:48 … about TiddlyWiki
- 21:38 … short mention of naming
podcast One is None
- 24:25 … TiddlyWiki followup (loves the wiki)
- 27.40 … tiddler (hate that name)
Conclusion
In general the software is “loved” and presented enthusiastic but the naming and image handling causes some trouble.
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