Let's brainstorm a name for the next version of TiddlyWiki

You are right. And you are right again. I knew the different pronuntiation of “c” or “z” as “s”, but I didn’t stop to try to know the reason, I think I see it now. They are pretty similar cases (“c/z” as “s”, “d” as “t”, “v” as “b”)

TIDE

Tiddler
Integrated
Development
Environment

Tiddler
Internet
Design
Enhancement

=> TIDEA. ??

TIDES

Tiddlywiki
Internet
Design
Exploration
System

Transclusionary
Interesting
Design
Expansion
System

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by this logic Tiddlywiki would need a name that is highly flexible in use and both used modernly and since old ages.

I’d wager something like IronNotes or being that it is based off a small fish, a tiddly, OceanWiki, where every tiddler is a fish?

@Pmario, is there a way to split this into a pre-existing tgread regarding the naming of TiddlyWiki? I’m on mobile and I can’t find the optionoption, I don’t recall if its possible to. :thinking:

(Nevermind! found the option haha)

Since @Justin_H quotes me on this, I will note that I have a difficult time conceiving of what a good alternative name would be, possibly because the obvious ones have been taken – Obsidian, Notion, EverNote… any derivation of those, I think, would not do TiddlyWiki justice.

And, as said in the quoted post, I don’t know that I am fully advocating for a name change, however:

In situations like this, I tend to think that it’s best to take a step back and try and change our thinking about things.

The TW cat, I believe, is a very good icon. People like cats, cats are internet, it’s simple, and it has good contrast. IMO, it’s the strongest TW brand-element.

Now, I don’t want us to think along the lines of CatNotes or anything like that. Again, we should be looking for things that combine imagery with the core philosophy – the latter being something to which the TiddlyWiki name was obviously aiming.

I don’t personally have the solution to this, but will say that the cat, as imagery, has special meaning to me because of the phrase “Borders are porous to cats.”

To me, the cat then is very appropriate imagery for TiddlyWIki which, compared to the other tools on the market, is all about breaking down barriers: not only because of it’s open source and highly customizable nature, and because the nonlinear style of notekeeping overcomes the “structural borders” of hierarchical notetaking, but because of its wide international community, and our community-values of mutual aid: supporting each other’s projects, finances, and enthusiasm as possible and appropriate, and prioritizing patience, respect, and understanding.

Without having done a deep-dive in any of the tools of the other communities mentioned, I really believe these are values that set us apart.

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On a bit more reflection, the other thing TiddlyWiki brings to mind are some of the principles outlined in Robert Pirsig’s books (particularly Lila in which he describes a zettelkasten system and goes into great detail about the nonlinear philosophy).

Those might be good places to look as well.

Sorry to reply to two threads… I realize this is the better thread on which to say:

TidWiki

is available as domain name. Lowest possible shiftover cost. Retains associations. Avoids the TiddlyGiggle effect.

It’s earlier in this thread, but I want to bump it for renewed consideration.

At the very least, scooping up the domains (.com and .org) — and putting in for whatever quasi-legal claims can be made — would be prudent … Such step would keep this most obvious option open.

Unsure about TidWiki, but I am sure that “the TiddlyGiggle effect” should be coined as a @Springer’ism

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I just have to share a recent anecdote. I was at a party with a fair amount of technically minded people in attendance. Started talking to this chap who was originally from the U.K., going on and on about wiki development … he asks me what I was using. “TiddlyWiki”. He just smiles and says, “Ahhh that’s a great name.” Says he didn’t need to write it down because he wasn’t going to forget it.

I know we like to beat ourselves up over what’s perceived to be an awkward name (especially true in America where I’ve seen plenty of mirth or skepticism directed at the name TiddlyWiki), but maybe we are overthinking it. This was a reminder to me of how cool this piece of software truly is … even its name.

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From a purely pragmatic perspective it’s much easier for me to pronounce “tiddlywiki”, than for example “featherwiki”. So if you treat the current name as an impediment in context of wider usage, if you’re considering a rebranding, make sure that then new name is not only cool meaning-wise, but also easy to pronounce by foreigners who don’t speak English natively :speaking_head:

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Obtidian. That will ruffle a few feathers and bring curious people here!

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FYI, the OED (canonical English) shows historically that “tidbits” and “titbits” meant the same. The main meaning being a “juicy morsel” (a small, delicous, snack of food).

In the UK, in the past (1886-1984), a common weekly magazine was TitBits / Tit-Bits. It pioneered “tabloid journalism” that led to “Page Three” bosoms.

TT

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Good point. But …

Wouldn’t we need a phonologist for that? I mean you gals & guys write in English. I have no Idea what your first language is, nor what phonics we may share.

A comment, TT

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