TiddlyWiki - A Natural Platform for the Open Knowledge Format (OKF)

[Mohamed_Amin]

Hi Everyone,

I just saw this Google’s announcement about their new OKF (Open Knowledge Format), and TiddlyWiki immediately came to mind.

The MD file format is very similar to TW5

I was wondering if the “TW5 Masters” here have been discussing this yet? I would love to hear your thoughts on the potential implications or connections.

Note:

• The specs are in this Github: knowledge-catalog/okf/SPEC.md at main · GoogleCloudPlatform/knowledge-catalog · GitHub
• OKF md file are very similar to the TW5 md format:
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Best regards,

[pmario]

Hi, IMO this is related to:

Riding the wave of Andrej Karpathy's “LLM Wiki”

Some of you may have seen this remarkably popular post by Andrej Karpathy https://karpathy.ai introducing what he calls “LLM Wiki”: https://gist.github.com/karpathy/442a6bf555914893e9891c11519de94f It describes an approach to knowledge management that involves three elements: * Storing notes as Markdown files in a Github repository * Updating those notes via an LLM that modifies the files on disk directly * Browsing and reading the notes via Obsidian by pointing it at the Markdown repositor…

[yan]

The title of this topic is a bit confusing as the Open Knowledge Foundation is not involved with this initiative from what I can see, it is wholly a Google project.
Edit: title now changed

They mention BigQuery in there which I’m not very familiar with but it looks like a type of SQL which TiddlyWiki has many integrations with, especially MultiWikiServer, which is semi-official.

[digitalap3]

The F is for Format, not Foundation. It looks like the particular format they are talking about has front matter at the top which would require an export template - no big deal.

In general I feel like tiddlywiki is especially well suited to this kind of thing - especially in reference to the LLM Wiki. One thing that seems to be so important in all these formats is keeping data in small units and providing context both of which tiddlywiki is so good at with tags and fields. Implementing an LLM-Wiki with the nodejs version of tiddlywiki is one of those side projects sitting in my que!

[Justin_H]

I’ve taken a look at what they propose and.. I’m not a fan, personally.

the very first thing that does not feel right to me is trying to rely only on a single timestamp property.

tw5’s created, created-by, modified, modified-by set of fields is a much better approach. with the addition to a modified-count, content-version, or revision field, you can track how many times the tiddler has been modified as well.

not so with a single timdstamp field unless tracked outside of the document. maybe this is by design but, I dislike it.

[pmario]

@Justin_H … I do not see a problem with several timestamps. We can simply add our TW timestamps and creator and modifier fields as additional fields.

Where I see a big problem is the type field, which will be incompatible with our existing text serialisations.

I’ll raise an issue at their GitHub repo. So we will see, what happens.

[Justin_H]

apologies, I mean my opinion being in general, not in relation to how tiddlywikis format could be connected to it.

the format google recommended, specifically. adding tiddlywikis fields would solve it. it seems like the format they provided is missing things that multiple communities would need, from what I have seen in the obsidian md subreddit.

[pmario]

@Justin_H

apologies,

Sorry. I did not intend to make you feel bad. English is not my main language, so it can happen that my “tone” is off from time to time.

I only wanted to inform every reader, that all - except one field currently seem to be optional. So there is enough space for our TW stuff if we need it.