i like quinecard / quinecards too keeping it in the singular is more of a reference to hypercard too, not sure if we want to be that closely associated with it or not.
also to note, the poll above does currently indicate a 63% preference (among people who care enough to find this thread and vote) towards keeping the name the same. it is fun to brainstorm names, and if jeremy is looking for a new name then it isnât really relevant, but i figured itâs worth mentioning. from all the excitement about new names i figured it would be more of an even split.
It is importiant to note if using âQuineâ in relation to tiddlywiki that more often than not people discussing Quines are discussing âtrivial or minimal Quinesâ where tiddlywiki is a ânon-trivial Quineâ so perhaps we could find a better word such as âsophisticated Quineâ to avoid the use of the negative.
If we use Quine Card, we need only adopt it as a community and add it to the documentation. No need to rename tiddler, just add value dont destroy value.
I like quine card as it also hints that it can be both data and TiddlyWiki script.
Jeremy was talking about âtiddlywikiâ, and I wonder if the broad reaction to âtiddlerâ is known. Same basic reaction? Or are the people whoâd be put off by it, already largely filtered out by being put off by âtiddlywikiâ?
I have no problem what so ever with TiddlyWiki and Tiddler, so we are going to differ on this, perhaps for eternity. In addition they both have substantial internet search value due to their uniqueness.
I also imagin what ever we chose there would be a cohort that did not like it.
In a muylti-cultural space like a global software tool the chance of not triggering someones distast is very low. Names will always be a contention so we may as well stick with what we have.
I did read your prior comment, mine own include using âTiddlyWiki Platformâ, Tweaky as a nic name and a recent discussion of tiddler/Card.
100% agreed. Thatâs the one good thing it has going for it.
Yeah probably - especially if itâs an invented or obscure word
This seems to be saying âsince anything will be a problem for someone, why bother?â which I completely disagree with. Even on the premise that any possible name will have some distaste to someone, the levels of distaste are not equal. From both a âhow many people will be put off by a nameâ and âfor what reason is it offputtingâ, some names will be distinctly less disagreeable than than others.
Finding a significantly less disagreeable to those who donât (yet) know of this software, AND being subjectively agreeable to the tastes of those of us who do already use it?
TidWiki / TidbitWiki has been my favourite alternative since really thinking about this - but I know thatâs objectionable to some. QuineCards I really like too - and nobody has noted it as objectionable yet, and this very thread is already the #3 result for a google search for quinecards - Iâd expect a full rebrand would quickly bump it to the top, and itâd probably inherit a lot of the existing tiddlywiki search results easily enough too.
QuineCard/QuineCards is good. I do absolutely not think "sophisticated Quineââ would be good.
Most people do not know of or talk about quine. Those who do know and discuss it should be triggered - be curious.
I remember a talk Jeremy had with to younger programmers - sorry I do not remember the link. Their Eyes light up when quine was mentioned- interest shown. Curiosity and interest is necessary to start using tiddlywiki and keep going. (It takes some time to fall in love, you know!)
hmm. Sorry - I do not like TidWiki and I do not like QuineCards.
I am not overly happy with âtidbitâ for tiddler, but as Jeremy mentioned, it will be compatible with the existing .tid files. I do like tidbit more than something quine related.
Since I use TW mainly for brainstorming and to get âideasâ out of my head. Itâs OK if my notes are named tidbits.
IMO TidWiki is hard to âsayâ â Why do we need to keep the term âwikiâ in the project name at all?
Wiki is an attractive word, or at least I was attracted to the wiki properties of TiddlyWiki. The note-taking software currently on the market pushes the concept of a second brain, a database of sorts, but I prefer the term personal wiki. A personal wiki means that one can consolidate what one has learnt on one platform, with each revision coming from a different time in oneâs life. And In addition to knowledge, a personal wiki can also contain more content, such as a successful experience and the many failed attempts behind it. These can be documented in detail and organised through links.
I think this is going to capture some peoples attention more than a note book, cards etc⌠but not others, It demonstrates the value of a diverse set of ways to describe tiddlywiki. A personal wiki would have caught my attention decades ago because I used and built wikis, and saw value in a personal one. I wonder how many people have a more than skin deep understanding of wikis.
In reality âa non-linear personal web notebookâ caught my attention because I was into heirachical tree solutions but needed to leave the linear. But then I expect I am somewhat strange.
I dont think we do. QuineCards wasnât the first suggested name without "wikiâ and Iâm sure it wont be the last.
To me, the advantage of âTidWikiâ (with âtidbitsâ) is simply that itâs shorter and less gross than what we currently have, but feels phonetically related and some of the existing conventions (like the .tid suffix) carry over logically.
So as much as I think a new and unique name will pick up the existing search karma pretty quick, âTidWikiâ will do that even quicker (presumably in part because itâs similar, and likely in part because itâs been conceptually linked to TiddlyWiki via threads like this one for some time now)
FWIW, I definitely found TW via the âwikiâ name (Iâve been of a âevery website problem is a nail, wikiâs are my hammerâ mindset since the early 2000s)
As I pointed previously I do fear that this sound way too close to an expression people in french-speaking countries would use to designate sexual organs in an insulting way.
The only phonetic difference come from the âdâ that should be a âtâ, but most french accents make them hard to distinguish when they are at this position in the word. This could become a problem in a significant number of countries.
QC in Australia and England (I believe) means Queens Council is a title given to senior barristers (solocitors/attorney), now more commonly known as Senior Counsel (SC) or Kingâs Counsel (KC).
I suppose with the demise of the Queen this letter combination will be free for redefinition, and the english crown is unlikey to have a queen for another generation at least. Yes, I am not a monarchist.
I like the thinking, though my first reaction was that QC could get the same nearly-infinity-symbol effect, so long as the tail of the Q was handled well.
Of course, then I went to play with fonts and instead ended up with the tail of the Q linking to the C, which is a totally different (but relevant) implication!
I suspect there wouldnât be many two letter combinations, if any, that are free from some kind of existing meaning to someone. (My first thought with âQCâ was the long running webcomic âQuestionable Contentâ) (and my second thought was âQuantum Chessâ, which is an online game my brother and I half-developed a year ago, and toyed with various âQCâ based logos for that, the current draft there ended up being called âQhessâ)
Of course, then I went to play with fonts and instead ended up with the tail of the Q linking to the C, which is a totally different (but relevant) implication!
I like that it looks a bit like with a smile underneath!
keeping it in the singular is more of a reference to hypercard too, not sure if we want to be that closely associated with it or not.
with a smile underneath!