How many people here love tiddlyclip plug in

buggyj · January 24, 2022, 10:06am

HI Mark,
The regular snip normally preserves paragraphs in text clipped from webpages, could you give an example of when it fails?

when I clip html I usually put it (automatically) into a tiddler of type ‘text/x-htmlp’ and then use the ckeditor adapter plugin to edit it.

Mark_S · January 24, 2022, 3:22pm

I just tried it on your two paragraphs here and got:

The regular snip normally preserves paragraphs in text clipped from webpages, could you give an example of when it fails? when I clip html I usually put it (automatically) into a tiddler of type ‘text/x-htmlp’ and then use the ckeditor adapter plugin to edit it.

I’m wondering, you have two different ways of setting up the ckeditor, using two different tiddlers from your adapter plugin. One is specified on the landing page, and the other inside the readme. I’m following them both – setting up both. But which way are we supposed to be using?

Thanks!

buggyj · January 24, 2022, 6:15pm

This is what I get, which seem ok.

This is using firefox 95.0.1 on xubuntu.
Tiddyclip addon 0.1.8

tiddlywiki 5.2.0
plugin 1.17.17

How does you setup differ?

buggyj · January 24, 2022, 6:22pm

To set up ckeditor, put the path in the tiddler $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib

eg

/x/y/ckeditor.js

I recommend using this version

https://ckeditor.com/cke4/release/CKEditor-4.3.2

Mark_S · January 24, 2022, 7:01pm

But the docs say to put it as a script tag. e.g.:

<script src='http://127.0.0.1:8080/libs/ckeditor/ckeditor.js'></script>

Also, if that’s how we configure, then what does $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/bjtools/lib do?

Chromium 97 or 99

Thanks!

buggyj · January 24, 2022, 7:57pm

$:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/bjtools/lib is only used to enable editing at bjtools.tiddlyspot.com

In the first version of tiddlyclip it was necessary to put the location of the ckeditor lib inside a script tag. I made things simpler in subsequent versions, allowing the path to be entered on its own. However I maintained the option to put the address inside script tags for backwards compatibility.

buggyj · January 24, 2022, 9:35pm

I can reproduce this… unfortunately chrome is removing the line returns so there is not way for me to fix this.

It is possible to convert clipped html into text but as only a part of the pages html is copied it would not work 100% of the time.

buggyj · January 25, 2022, 3:56pm

I have create a new macro to extract the text:

TW_Tones · March 24, 2022, 3:55am

I love tiddlyclip, but not used it for sometime. I am trying to install the new version in both chrome and Firefox (Potentially Edge). I am no longer sure where to get the plugin (not addons), and this does not seem documented at GitHub - buggyj/tiddlyclip

Also I placed a wiki in file:///C:/Users/antho/Downloads/TiddlyWiki-in-downloads.html as I understand it will only clip to there?

However I am not seeing clips occur, but I still need to add the plugin.

On a side note the prerealase at https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#TiddlyClip%20by%20buggyjay has updated but still points to http://tiddlyclip.tiddlyspot.com should this be changed? before the new 5.2.2 release?

[Edit] Post script: what is the savemedia plugin, and how does it relate to tiddlyclip?

arunnbabu81 · March 24, 2022, 7:47am

Look at this for the latest plug in

Will reply when I am back home if no one else answer the rest of the questions

TW_Tones · March 24, 2022, 7:53am

This just the plugin in the tid file yes?

arunnbabu81 · March 24, 2022, 8:00am

You can drag and drop from this site if you want

https://arsheth.tiddlyhost.com

I am not in a place to check what you asked

Mark_S · March 24, 2022, 2:08pm

What and how are you clipping?

You can clip to any TW file that that has the plugin and that has been “docked”. It’s physical location is irrelevant. Hower …

This is an extension that allows you to save media (e.g. an image) to a directory, and create (if I recall) the appropriate tiddler. Unfortunately, that directory has to be below your downloads directory. Also unfortunately, it is called “media”, which means it isn’t compatible with the rest of TW , which uses “files” as the place to serve up media files. So you can’t use it to collect images and then drag the tiddlers over to a normally structured wiki without remapping the _canonical_uri field.

arunnbabu81 · March 24, 2022, 2:51pm

I have updated the demo wiki.
https://arsheth.tiddlyhost.com/

As the default tiddler I have put the TiddlyClipConfig

In that you can find a long list of rules I have added - all of them may not make sense to your needs.

This is my general understanding about tiddlyclip’s working.

Snip - clip selected text
Pin - clip external images if you hover the cursor over the image.
Snap - Save screenshots (snaps can be saved at local files using save media option or within the wiki itself)
Html -Clip webpage as html and edited using visual editor.
select - this helps to select large chunks of text together for clipping

I have added a few extra rules with help of buggyj

Pdfsnip - Clip text from pdf and link to a specific page in the pdf file.
Htmlanchors - clip text, pins, snap from webpage and link them to specific location in the webpage.
Clip text, pins, snaps as streams tiddlers,
userstring option to give custom titles for the clipped tiddlers.

Most of these can be found in the Discussion page of Tiddlyclip-plug in.

arunnbabu81 · March 24, 2022, 3:01pm

media folder has to be in the same folder as the wiki. Is there any disadvantage for this. I use only single file html wikis and i have been using save media and save tiddlers addons without much problems.

May be @buggyj have an answer for this. I have been pestering him with my doubts over the last few months. He has answered all of my questions without any delays. Frankly I haven’t seen a more approachable person than him in this TW world.

Mark_S · March 24, 2022, 4:27pm

I did ask him.

It’s a problem because if you use your TW with node.js, tiddlydesktop, or Bob, they all want to serve up files from the “files” subdirectory. So “files” is the normative position in the world of TW. If you only use stand-alone TW files, then it’s fine to use whatever directory you want.

arunnbabu81 · March 24, 2022, 4:41pm

What did he meant in this reply. Is it possible to change the save folder from media to files

buggyj · March 24, 2022, 5:23pm

Hi Tones
the plugin can be downloaded from GitHub - buggyj/tiddlyclip-plugin: tw plugin for tiddlyclip. I have updated the info to include the instructions to get the plugin.

buggyj · March 24, 2022, 5:29pm

As arunnbabu says, at present savemedia put files it creates into a subdirectory called ‘media’ relative to where the tiddlywiki is. It is hardcoded into a macro here:

github.com

buggyj/tiddlyclip-plugin/blob/c8402643355e4bbe9c507e23f32adecc9ae1911b/tw5/csaver.js#L61

    
      
          		return "error no saver extension found";
          	}
          };
          
          

          

          

          
exports.name ="csaver";
          exports.run  = function(title,text)
          	{
          var subdir = "media";
          if (!text) return "";
          return csaver(text,title,subdir,function (){alert("dl'ed")});
          
          

          
};

For now you could just edit this tiddler to change this.
I could perhaps hae a config tiddler containing the name of the subdir, this would allow the subdir name to be more easily changed.

TW_Tones · March 24, 2022, 11:05pm

Thanks @buggyj I have always felt TiddlyClip was a paretner of TiddlyWiki and I am returning to it know because of research I need to do on the internet and a desire to keep my workflow’s simple.