Winter of TiddlyWiki's season?

I notice this forum has been growing quiet, could it be the impending Release of 5.4.0 or is is a consequence of the migration to the new server?

If these things pass and it remains quiet I think perhaps we may need to “reactivate the community”.

I think this is in the eye of the beholder to be honest. There have been several posts just in the last few hours.

Activity on support-centric forums like this one is going down anyway, due to IM (old - though TW’s Discord is fairly quiet) and AI (new). I’d say Talk is very healthy as it currently stands.

No enough new users, so no enough new questions. Obisidan is drawing more attention, due to recent twitters talk about “AI wiki”, so probably people are going to that direstion.

Good point, especially for the younger ones. In fact I think all of the answers are good. It is a little of this and that. In my part of the world it is spring - it was just easter and the garden i calling for some work. For us elder users - health is also a factor. A respirator for my partner - and a broken right arm and hand for me. We are both at home now - but everything is difficult - and thus less time for TW.

Sad. But I hope you’ll … keep on truckin’ …

Right. Dead right.

The issue is far, far wider than TiddlyWiki.

We are in the middle of an AI Tsunami.

TT

The LION IN WINTER will do it …

TT

To be honest, in my case it’s because I don’t really use TW anymore. I have two instances of Classic that are dormant, while my newer work is done on Feather Wiki and Siteleteer. Sorry.

This is all my fault for being too distracted working on new projects and not spending enough time documenting my existing work :sob:

Honestly, I think it would be improbable that we would always be flush with new content – seems far more likely that we would experience lulls now and then.

That said, I love seeing this community “activated,” so please, everyone, post your experiments and showcases.

Sorry, I’m busy preparing for an eventual World War.

haha, same of mine, actually, I’m building a house in deep mountain vallage in ChongQing in the past months, with personal GPU AI servers and food storage units.

On my side, I am trying to set up a TW as my main writing environment for my PhD/research. The completed set up will probably involve some custom python scripts and Pandoc Lua filters as well, as I plan to generate LaTeX from the raw output of TW’s HTML export. As a quick test, I have shamelessly used AI to generate a Pandoc filter to convert Refnote’s citation output to native LaTeX citation commands and it kind of works. As I am using a custom latex class, I still have to have some more filters written for me. I may document the whole process somewhere.

I haven’t been posting as much here because I just don’t have that many support needs. I do receive every email for Cafe and a weekly Activity Summary when I don’t login.

I do feel like we’re missing out on the current AI boom but just as quickly as people adopt technology there is a growing push for simpler tech or less tech with AI integration.

As AI becomes more widespread, contributions to all open-source projects will decline, because only AI will access these projects. All support forums like talk.tiddlywiki.org will be affected, because AI will answer questions. Easily customizable software like TiddlyWiki will be impacted, because natural language can be used to customize software.

AI driven web crawlers have already been causing trouble by DDOS-ing websites. But this is them functioning in read-only mode. Are you implying that the evolution of this is AI-generated spam flooding all online forums, code hosting forges and such? Because combined with enforced age verification we humans will end caged in tiny digital concentration camps then.

My language is natural language, lets call LLM’s unnatural language.

What I mean is that the forum’s purpose is to provide technical support. AI can also provide technical support. AI has replaced the forum.

In addition, AI has captured people’s attention. Just take a look at the GitHub trends chart—they’re all AI projects.

Ugh :-/ I do not like this trend. At all. I really hope the TW community turns out to be better than that.

I’m but a humble TW user. I got where I am by inspecting other people’s notebooks. By asking questions that in hindsight were simple and possibly obvious. Questions that got answered by all those wonderful, helpful members of this community.

I found solutions by searching or even casually browsing this forum. Same goes for inspiration, I came searching for one thing, and I ended up learning a different one. I even tried answering simple questions posed by others, sometimes successfully too :grin:

Had I done all of the above inside an LLM, I would have missed on so much of the social aspect of TW.

To me, part of the greatness of TW is the long-standing community. Sure, the technical bar of entry is relatively high to achieve anything but simple solutions. But to me it’s so worth it, to own the data, the stack, the knowledge of how it all works. A huge part of this is the community and I fear LLM usage takes so much away from that.

Let us not go gentle into the LLM night.

I very much appreciate the scarey sentiment (meaning) of that.

Obviously masses is going on with “AI” (a bunch of v. different things)—originating beyond her—that is, and will, impact TW.

AI has replaced the forum.

No. The fact you posted that thought shows it is not yet true.
Unless you are an “AI” … beep .. beep .. ?

take a look at the GitHub trends chart—they’re all AI

Right. It is obvious there is a Huge Change afoot.
A change with political, economic and social consequences.

The unquestionable passivity on GH, as if “AI” were the Holy Grail, is extremely worrying.

I am not a technological determinist, I am a free Ewok!

TT

Brilliant articulation, clear and to the point …

(and more examples ommited …)

BINGO!

You articulated the dangers well.

TT