[tw5] Seeking common misunderstandings

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#1

I’m working on adding a chapter (or back-matter section, not sure yet) called “Common Misunderstandings” to Grok TiddlyWiki. Currently I have two sections:

  • Macros are not function calls
  • Constant strings cannot be combined with transclusions
    Are there other common misunderstandings – in terms of incorrect mental models of how TiddlyWiki operates, or things one might expect to work that don’t – that come up here or elsewhere that you’d like to see documented in such a section?

Feedback on the drafts of the two existing sections would be welcome as well:

https://sorenbjornstad.com/downloads/temp/gtw-prerelease.html#Common%20Misunderstandings

Re: Seeking Common Misunderstandings
#2

Hi Soren,

I posted a small list an hour ago but due to the vagaries of GG it doesn’t seem to have been posted. Re-writing is never fun but will do so and post as a reply on Discourse a little later.
Regards,
Saq

#3

@saqimtiaz - I might be doing it wrong, but I haven’t found a way to reply in Discourse to a GG thread, I assume you mean you’ll start a new ‘topic’ in Discourse, or am I missing something? I only see the reply button in Discourse for Discourse-native conversations.

This is making the “conversion” pretty painful. I’m monitoring Discourse, but for all replies I’m going into GG and finding the thread to reply to (like now).

#4

Yes that is exactly what I mean. The GG threads in Discourse are read only.

It would help if people started new threads on Discourse, hopefully we will see more of that in the next days.
The plan is to migrate to Discourse and make this group read only after a short period where we test out Discourse. So anyone that doesn’t try using Discourse in anger now will likely miss their chance to have a say in that final decision.

#5

Maybe this is derailing the thread, but I’m disinclined to post on Discourse when I’m looking for a broad audience (like in this post) since only a few people are over there so far. Is there anything we can do to to ease that? Is it possible to crosspost new threads from Discourse to GG for instance?

#6

Hi Soren,

I’m working on adding a chapter (or back-matter section, not sure yet) called “Common Misunderstandings” to Grok TiddlyWiki. Currently I have two sections:

Excellent idea, I think that will be very helpful.

  • Macros are not function calls
  • Constant strings cannot be combined with transclusions
    Are there other common misunderstandings – in terms of incorrect mental models of how TiddlyWiki operates, or things one might expect to work that don’t – that come up here or elsewhere that you’d like to see documented in such a section?

The first one I thought of was the way that <div attr={{<>}}> doesn’t work, but I see that you covered that in the 2nd example.

Feedback on the drafts of the two existing sections would be welcome as well:

https://sorenbjornstad.com/downloads/temp/gtw-prerelease.html#Common%20Misunderstandings

Excellent stuff, it’s great to see how you can write from the perspective of beginners while being such a knowledgable and advanced user yourself.

Best wishes

Jeremy

#7

Soren,

I too think this is a great idea. Some of the miss understandings are listed in my documents, built on Tobias’s efforts before here Tones GitWiki — For Designers from TW Tones (AKA TonyM) and tiddlers pointed to there in.

  • In particular to support Jeremy’s point see ❷ Widget and HTML attributes or parameters

  • The items that have strike through are incorrect and will point to some of these.

  • I am happy if I get a critical review of these notes.

  • We and I, have often struggled with when we need to Wikify to get an intermediate result rather than pass wiki text on to be rendered later.

By the way I love you work on Grok and support it totally but given my experience it is too verbose for me to work through, this is perfect for newer users for sure. If you wanted to add content for more experienced users/designers/devs to review and contribute to, perhaps you could provide a special index for the different kind of user. I would be able to help more if you did. Although this kind of question here is a good approach.

Love your work
Tones