TiddlyWiki v5.3.7 on Product Hunt July 10th at 12:01 AM PDT

[jeremyruston]

Thank you to everyone who was able to help, and appreciation for those leaving reviews. They are worth a read:

tiddlywiki: A non-linear personal web notebook | Product Hunt

We did very respectably, ending up at #46 out of 150 or so. Last time, in 2020, we came in at #2, having been at #1 for much of the day. I think the primary reason for the difference is that in 2020 there was a member of the community who was familiar with that world and could navigate it more expertly.

I don’t know if it’s worth doing this again. It wasn’t much work for me to make the original post but it is a lot to ask of this community to participate in Product Hunt.

Nonetheless, thank you to everyone who helped. I think we need to experiment with more and better ways to reach potential TiddlyWiki users, and so I’m glad we did it.

[Mohammad]

I expected much more support, but it seems the signup barrier is preventing some people from voting

[Mark_S]

This process was particularly egregious. First they ask for a sign-up email. Then after you do that two-step, they ask you to sign-up with one of only 5 social media accounts. A lot of us having been working hard to eliminate our activity on social media.

The thing is, you sign up and get 15 minutes of fame, followed by a lifetime of mail not just from Product Hunt, but also from anyone they decide to sell your email to. Having that linked to your primary social media account is a hard ask these days.

Looking at the numbers, it doesn’t appear that even the winners have that many supporters, so I’m not sure this is an effective publicity approach.

Hopefully the reviews that are posted will be picked up by the search bots and eventually incorporated into search results, but it’s all kind of hand-wavey.

[TiddlyTitch]

@Mark_S

This process was particularly egregious. First they ask for a sign-up email. Then after you do that two-step, they ask you to sign-up with one of only 5 social media accounts. A lot of us having been working hard to eliminate our activity on social media.

@Mark_S

Hopefully the reviews that are posted will be picked up by the search bots and eventually incorporated into search results, but it’s all kind of hand-wavey.

Mark, I think that a good analysis of what Product Hunt has become.

@jeremyruston

I don’t know if it’s worth doing this again. It wasn’t much work for me to make the original post but it is a lot to ask of this community to participate in Product Hunt.

TBH @jeremyruston I think it would be worth doing again—but only in a co-ordinated, timed, flood of Product Hunt with positives for TW; understanding what it is now become …

A vector of volume and numerous votes first and analysis of reality later.

Something like that.

[pmario]

@Mark_S

The thing is, you sign up and get 15 minutes of fame, followed by a lifetime of mail not just from Product Hunt, but also from anyone they decide to sell your email to. Having that linked to your primary social media account is a hard ask these days.

I do have an account there for 5 years and did not get any spam mails from them. For me google mail does a pretty good job to filter spam, which I do not get much anyway.

[TW_Tones]

I think the are a lot of other avenues to review and give publicity to TiddlyWiki beyond “gameable” review sites like Product Hunt, after all we were trying to game it too

One example is the outdated TiddlyWiki - Wikipedia entry and Comparison of wiki software - Wikipedia

• I have a contrubutor account if people can give me content and edits, but changes should remain more objective.
• Although in other languages would be great

There are also resources where the publisher would most likely be happy to update large comparison tables if you give them the content.

• With so many people happy to contribute perhaps we should start a community project to look for and contribute all over the internet.
• I did not have the time to determin if I was happy to contribute to Product Hunt but will have time going forward.

[nemo]

@TW_Tones

the outdated TiddlyWiki - Wikipedia entry

It used to be even more outdated. Someone did a cleanup a year ago and took out some old stuff, though also removed one of the examples of TW in use. I brought it up in a discussion thread, but wasn’t going to make an editwar over it. (by a strict reading of the wikipedia rules, removal made sense. I think it made the article poorer though)

Talk:TiddlyWiki

[nemo]

@TW_Tones

outdated TiddlyWiki

I’ve just worked out how to wrangle the info into the wikipedia universe (the tiddlywiki page has an infobox, which uses a template for the version, which pulls data from wikidata, which doesn’t have the best interface for indicating why the data you’re adding cannot be saved yet)

For reference, this: TiddlyWiki - Wikidata

Hopefully the version number on the main wikipedia page will be updated soon (I assume a cache expiry/regenerate run needs to occur)

[Mohammad]

Hi Tony,

I fully agree that we should update the Wikipedia page for TiddlyWiki. It’s one of the first resources new users come across, and the current version feels quite outdated

[Scott_Sauyet]

@TW_Tones

I think the are a lot of other avenues to review and give publicity to TiddlyWiki beyond “gameable” review sites like Product Hunt, after all we were trying to game it too

I think it would be a good idea to submit notifications of major releases to important blogs, journals, podcasts, etc. I had a project take off after it was featured in JavaScript Weekly, for instance. That is a well-curated weekly overview of JS-related news. I’m guessing they would be willing to give us a mention. But there are many others worth considering.