Will this be a solution that bypasses a need to have an extension (like Timimi) for local saves using a browser as editor?
IF so, will further progress be added to this thread? And if not, how can I receive a notification for this?
The OP uses the default browser save mechanism, which is activated by the green [Download] button at GettingStarted.
TiddlyWiki uses browser extensions like TiddlyFox (now obsolete) and Timimi since a very long time already, so we (the TW users) are used to use āsingle clickā save options. We are not used to use the browser default saver, which needs several clicks instead of one.
I am trying to get this workingm and it will not work for me. Every time it saves, it uses the old filename and append a (1) to the end of it. The minutes never seem to update, even when I use @Mohammad solutrion
Yes. I donāt see how @Mohammad 's solution could work. The default download behaviour is to append (#) to each download filename that matches an existing filename. So unless thereās a setting to override this behaviour, or unless you bring up the save dialog every time, youāre going to get the (#) numbered files.
If you use @mwiktowy 's solution above, and donāt save more often than once a minute, then you can avoid the (#) numbering. But this whole solution will fill your download directory with files that have to be cleaned out.
I was using the Native Saver plugin, but 2 days ago it threw an error and told me it could not save the file and I ended up with a file that was 0 KB in size. Lost everything. But I was still in āexperimentā mode, so I think I only lost one note.
I was trying to find a way to save, and have it create a backup before it saves to prevent this from happening again. This looked like a possible solution.
Well, the minutes updated, but you may have to use save as, once your browser detect a duplicate.
Iāve been using the Native Saver plugin for Timimi notes. So that is worrisome.
Remember if the saver doesnāt work, you can go the advanced search and select the āTiddlers modified since last reloadā and then save your recent work as a JSON file. Of course this assumes you have a backup before the last reload. You could probably just download all your tiddlers separately and load them into an empty TW file later.
So apparently people in firefox can turn off auto-numbering ( file (1).txt, file (2).txt) but people in Chrome canāt.
I forgot that there are extensions that can fix that. Hereās one that seems to be getting good reviews (from a tiny fan base):
You can not deactivate auto-numbering in FireFox. You have to use the native Save As dialogue, that lets you overwrite existing names.
If you keep your wiki files in the download directory or any download/subdirectories you can use my file-backups add-on for FireFox only
I personally use the F: drive as my browser default downloads drive. So I can save my wikis in any directory on drive F.
Sadly, I canāt install Chrome plugins on my work computer. Locked down environment.
My original post should have read: now YYYY0MM-0DD0hh0mm or anything you likeā¦
Back in the day, I used to have this format: 200203112228 SCHEDULE FOR APRIL.txt No hyphens; I found it difficult to read. Not to mention the loud All-Caps.
My personal file naming system is: 202503-112228-202503-112228-AlfieA-TiddlyWiki.html The second instance of the time stamp is so you can have āthreadsā as it were. In the case of a schedule item, it could denote a start and end time.
In an update, your file might look something like: 202503-112235-202503-112228-AlfieA-TiddlyWiki.html To make this work, I would have: now YYYY0MM-0DD0hh0mm followed by the suffix: 202503-112228-AlfieA-TiddlyWiki.html
I share your disdain for the ā¦(1).html, ā¦(2).html What do can you do? I wouldnāt worry about them so much. But, yes they do look sloppy, I admit.
Sometimes I download a new release of TW and when I save it, I get something like: empty(14).html or empty(14) (2).html Even worse, Iāll get empty.html when Iāve got one with the same file name somewhere else. What do you do? Make a āversionā folder. That folder could be named 202503-112247 Tiddlers (or New Tiddlers 25-03-11), for example. Anyway, do what you think you need to do.
Now, this might be a new hack for you. It might be a familiar one, so please forgive me, seasoned computerists. When you go into a file folder and you have tens or hundreds of file names such as empty(1), empty(2), etc. you can rename all of them in one go:
1 Select All files. (SHIFT Down Arrow / CTRL A)
2 Press F2 (to name)
3 Type something like 25-03-11 Archived TIddlers
4 Hit Enter
Now, if things donāt turn out right, you can still do a CTRL-Z and the file names will be reverted.
One more variation to the file naming technique is:
1 Select 1 file
2 Press F2
3 Name the file according to your preferences using the CTRL Back and Fourth Arrow keys
4 DONāT hit Enter - Instead hit the TAB key. It will take you to the next file in Rename Mode
5 If you want to go go BACKWARDS, hit the SHIFT and TAB keys together
Always save your precious Tiddlers! Once you hit the checkmark, export them individually. Having a ā¦(1) and a ā¦(2) simply lets you know which one is the latest. Could be JSON. I prefer .TID because as an indivdual Tiddler, thereās no need to have them in JSON formal. .TIDs are much more readable.
Well, thatās my take. Thank you for reading.
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Yes. And if there arenāt too many modified Tiddlers, you could open up another TW in another Tab and just drag them over to there. I often use the TiddlyWiki website just to use it as a holding area and later drag them back to my own Tiddler later. Fun stuff. But addictive.
Could happen. Do you update THAT often??
Then -0ss would serve you well.
Iāll go hours without hitting save. Then need to use it 3 times in a minute.
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Right.
Though this method needs a bit of mind-your-mind (remembrance broheim) it is perfectly workable.
Are we making a mountain out of molehill on saving?
Just a comment, TT
In short ā I think we do.
Long version.
We have been used to save with a one-click action since the very early days of TWclassic. FireFox did allow to save locally with an AddOn. This possibility was removed for security reasons with version 57.
As we lost the ability to directly save changes, we (the community) started to develop endless workarounds, which where tailored for relatively specific workflows. This in turn leads to confusions for new users.
It is very common for locally installed applications to load data from files, work with it and then save it to a file once finished. We mainly ignore to promote this workflow. Except in this thread.
Major browsers are developed by āweb firstā companies, they make it easy to āsave to the webā. In turn the opposite workflow gets more and more difficult. Itās easy to ask for monthly subscription fees, if users depend on web storage and web connections. ā You can not get monthly fees for locally installed apps.
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