I did create a new thread: Getting Stuff Done -- Basic Elements -- implemented using TiddlyWiki, that can follow the development process.
You try to get the funding up to speed. … I try to get it
I did create a new thread: Getting Stuff Done -- Basic Elements -- implemented using TiddlyWiki, that can follow the development process.
You try to get the funding up to speed. … I try to get it
Whups -looks like i missed that one (easy to do, in this firehose that is talk.tiddlywiki!)
I am no great shakes at fundraising… But i’ll do my best. “Next Action” (or rather, a multi-step PROJECT in GTD-speak) seems to me it should be an OpenCollective launch. Notwitstanding the good Q&A we’ve had in that top-level thread, i’m not yet clear what my Next Action should be to advance that cause.
Based on the lively show of interest among the start-studded cast of contributors here thus far, i believe this RFI has fulfilled its purpose of engaging sufficient interest already. Is that fair to say? If so, then how should this go up on TW’s OC board, to see if it will attract some financial backers?
If you are willing to help administer the project, then I think sensible next steps would be:
Just to be clear, my interest lies more so with facilitating discussions around how to explore a community funded development model rather than with the proposed edition.
As you might be already knowing, the above linked GSD based demo wiki consists of a few cosmetic changes I added in addition to the GSD5 core for easy usage. I haven’t touched any GSD5 core tiddlers. Since I don’t know to do large scale TW programming, I am unable to modify it beyond these cosmetic tweaks. I have reported some issues which I encountered in the GitLab to the plug in creator, but he hasn’t responded yet.
Here is another GSD5 wiki which I have been tweaking - https://muuri-test.tiddlyhost.com/
If you want to read about the GSD5 plug in, this docs plug in of GSD5 contains everything - GSD5 — a getting-stuff-done tool
Also try this tiddler - GSD5 — a getting-stuff-done tool
3 essential steps, surely, which can certainly start now & run in parallel, but i guess #2 (fundraising goal) can only finish after #1 is finished. I’ll certainly keep the Scope-Setting & Feature-Focusing conversation moving along, but meanwhile…
Clear! So, in the interest of exploring that “community funded development model” @saqimtiaz, perhaps you can lead the conversation with Jeremy & Boris about alignment w/ TW’s OpenCollective, as you’ve been down that road already?
I have actually only been on the other end of this before, where the project was proposed and I volunteered to do the work. This does not have to be something elaborate, once you have #1 finished it is just a case of requesting here in the forum that the project be added to Open Collective, and asking for guidance if something more is needed.
Looking at this thread, my view right now is that scope is too broad and there is limited to no commitment to funding in this thread.
As is often the case, the enthusiastic response is that there are some plugins and WikiText to do this … without having an edition that someone can use today (nevermind maintenance).
I’d hate to see something this size (5K up front, 500 ongoing for argument sake) languish with minimal funding.
(Same with my highly dev centric GH Actions RFI post. Saq understands the potential there but it is pretty abstract for others. My next step is going to be to promote more widely and probably to fund the simple script myself)
So how do we work on building support? What is the template of action plan we can use to help get people to succeed?
@ludwa6 do you want to host a live call with interested people to hash out funding and promo and features? I’d also highly recommend finding at least one other person to recruit to work with you who is interested in this as a very actionable next step.
You mentioned GitHub so setting up a repo and using that for issues and action might be another next step. I don’t mean code - but the non technical bits. You can of course use the forum here to run organizing threads too. We could set up a dedicated category in #projects if you’re going to move forward with this.
And maybe we’ve discovered a rough set of steps:
RFI → Team Building → Working Group → OpenCollective Launch → Maintenance & Feature releases
With updates and promotion along the way.
Thoughts?
I think that makes good sense as a logical sequence of steps. And as to Next Action…
At least one other person, for sure -and more, before we can begin to talk about funding, promo, etc. What’s most needed at this point is an experienced TW dev who is also up-to-speed on GTD, and motivated to get a compelling GTD-on-TW product out into the wider world. Does that sound like anyone you know, @pmario ?
As for the market of serious GTD’ers, @Springer has self-identified as one- @arunnbabu81 too, it sounds like- and i’m curious to know what you-all think of that “Next Actions” MVP described by Mario ?
Given all the good work that’s gone into this prior art, i took an hour this am to give it a try. To summarise in brief my quick findings re the following:
GSD5.tiddyhost.com : Top marks for a good clean landing page; nice documentation, albeit simple (hi-level GTD concepts, but nothing about use of this particular app); easy of download -either drag&drop plugin (for TW5 users), or “an entire TW5/GSD5 environment.” I chose the latter, to come at this w/ fresh eyes, whereupon i found
Clean install: Was clean, indeed, but perfectly inscrutable to me. A simple dashboard, listing “Next Action”, “Waiting Action”, “Future Action”, and “Active Projects” -all blank for a new user, obviously. No tooltips on the several novel icons in toolbar; missing both the “Help” panel and the documentation tiddlers available in the online version -so i went there to drag&drop in the documentation plugin and those “Help” tiddlers i found via advanced search under the System tab, but still… Clicking on those novel icons in the toolbar to finally enter a new Project, a new Action (flailing in the dark, since modal windows were generic and gave no clue what i was entering), i quickly made a mess, as my first action created via modal appeared w/ the same title in triplicate. Sorry, but this UI will require more time than i have right now to comprehend. Yet one more thing i had to try:
Muuri StoryView: Nice exposition of several different Dashboard layouts, each of which exposes all essential features in a different way. I like where this is going, @arunnbabu81, especially the “Table Dashboard for GSD,” which works best on a horizontal monitor. Notwithstanding the nice layout of controls & monitors tho, the app is still unusable by me in present form, owing to the deeper problems mentioned above.
Would be great to have some user-friendly documentation of these controls, or just a short video demo of someone actually using this software to Get Stuff Done!
@ludwa6 https://gsd5.tiddlyhost.com/ have a sidebar tab named Collect
- I think this can help you. I haven’t incorporated those into my test wiki yet. May be that’s why you are having difficulty in entering the data. The modal that pops up on clicking the new action or new project buttons are using the browser in built mechanism i guess (not TW based modals). You just have to enter the title of the action or project in it. There is not much to get confused there. The newly created action or project tiddler will open in the story river automatically.
I was just trying various layouts and UIs available in tiddlywiki. Those large table layouts are for use in large screens only (I have connected my laptop to a large secondary display). I haven’t decided which layout to use finally. I have to use two seperate layouts mostly - one for use in desktop and one in mobile - still working on it though. I will incorporate the Collect
sidebar tab buttons also into the tables -I had forgotten about those buttons. In the murri test wiki, you can see the sidebar if you hover over the right top edge of the screen (it’s hidden by default) - it’s taken from whitespace theme by JD (another great TW content creator who has been missing in action these days).