[Proposal] Updating field handling functionality in TiddlyWiki

[TW_Tones]

@Springer

a whole cascade for non-tiddler nodes in the story river — sounds more semantically appropriate than stuffing conditional logic, and substantive template transclusions, into the missing tiddler hint!

Exactly my approach. Nice to know your adventure here.

@Springer

have it show up only when there’s no relevant automatic-template content at the node.

Exactly. So is this a story tiddler cascade to control buttons, or a View Template Body cascade for just the content?

I may have to put filter and extended “virtual tiddlers” aside for now in this project. Although I stand to be corrected. This may be a good place to discuss Create and Use of Virtual Tiddlers

@nemo

I wonder if another solution to the field-information/tid-information overlap described above, is an “excise” mechanism to convert the field values from a “fieldname” tid to a dedicated “▭ fieldname” or “$:/fields/fieldname” tid?

I am not exactly sure what you mean by excise. Please tell me more. But just so you know I have a number of ideas here, the one I like the most is hiding this in the existing UI.

For example this is how I am crafting it;

The fieldname is tied into a link to a missing tiddler, clicking on it creates the missing field tiddler “▭ New field” (as an example).

• In this case the prefix indicates it is a field definition tiddler.
• Perhaps the way to define the field is to set the field-type field on the tiddler (rather than edit to create).

@nemo

Your example however doesn’t resonate with me, since my instinct would be to have the field name be the more generic thing (“sister”) with value “Cathy Smith” (indeed, values as a list since there may be multiple sisters.

This was just a quick grasp at an example to illustrate, and although not compelling on its own. I think in the fullness of time examples that are compelling may be found. Although this is where its nice to handover a capacity to do something and let others explore the “innovation space”. Sister may be a bad example, it should be sibling with the Cathy Smith tiddler providing information about the “personal pronouns”.

• My suspicion is such use cases will emerge when it comes to bilateral relationships". For example when the relationship is different going in a different direction.

@etardiff

I don’t use backlinks[] much myself — I’ve found it can get slow in large wikis, and many of my links get stored in non-text fields anyway — but I can imagine it being useful in a ViewTemplate segment or even a missing tiddler template, particularly if it’s a node that might merit its own content.

Actualy backlinks links and now transcludes are operators that may be able to shed light on what a “missing tiddler” is about. A fieldname could be (placed) in the list field of a tiddler “my fields” to actualy define it as a field definition tiddler.

@Springer I assume a virtual tiddler, define witrh a filter as title can

1. List the results of the filter and
2. Have a button to create a filter tiddler, as available in Advanced Search > Filter > Dropdown