Money -- Open Source & TW

#114

This reply is directly related to the OT " Money – Open Source & TW" in my view. Its about advertising as revenue.

That is a bit harsh, you chould agree to disagree, as I will, and object to the idea not the person, because “I think your ideas about advertising are wrong”. Express your view, fine, but you are not the “enforcer here”.

  1. First I suggested opt in
  • But Its important to separate adds from recommendations
  1. Secondly I believe I have a right, and thus others, to be free from advertising and abuse of my attention. It is the lowest level class of revenue raising in my view.
  2. Maybe, but that does not alter my objection
  3. This is an option but I feel my arguments still stand, and if we are to choose to take this path, I think my points need to be considered (not dismissed).
    4.1 Often actual “add revenue” is slow low, one thoughtful and supportive persons donation will exceed it. Yet, how many supporters do you loose with advertising?

I know my views are not so well known but there is a growing trend that rejects advertising everywhere, with people happy to pay to avoid it as long as its not black mail. Smarter people than me are saying an increasing number of people and organizations are rejecting the “attention seekers”.

  • Decades ago Australia rejected large roadside bill boards everywhere, as does much of Europe. This is an example of the same issue. We have more views, safer roads and more attention. Some countries are ugly with billboards.

On community participation

Just imagine yourself chatting to strangers at a real “in person, get together” on a shared subject or interest. We are social animals and we are able to object without harsh or insulting ways of speaking.

  • This is the same way we should behave here and in social media.
  • We should not behave here in a way that in the physical world may result in being “escorted from the premises”.
  • Although I think brevity is fine, it should not be directed at a person.
  • If someone does not consider this, people will eventually freeze them out, bypass, avoid or ignore them.

To be a better person and community member it is important for us all to

  • Respect others views
  • Always consider your own view point may prove wrong
  • Challenge ideas not the person
  • Be prepared to change your mind
  • Speak from your perspective not as if what you say is absolutely true.
  • Not withstanding the above, we need to accommodate diversity, especially neurodiversity.
#115

@TW_Tones

  1. I didn’t talk about you and only about your idea. You yourself agreed with me when I said “agree to disagree.” I said what you said was wrong… I told you about your idea.
  2. And again, if you said that, you didn’t understand what I said. I will be accurate as always.
  3. I said “You are saying something wrong, wrong. He is right.”, I disagreed with your idea and was agreeing with the previous idea.
  4. It makes no sense to criticize me, I didn’t disrespect in any way. I just said you were wrong, and when I say you’re wrong. I speak of your idea and not of your person.
  5. Sorry, but I think you read or misunderstood. Anyway, sorry even though I didn’t write anything wrong.
  6. I just said… that having a source of advertising revenue can be a good form of income, as it is done in any application or solution, it is still a good way.

If you’ve read this far, I think everything is ok… or now, if it wasn’t a miscommunication of mine or yours… or uf you were really offended, I apologize.

#116

concept

1. Idea “success stories for tiddlywiki”:
2. Idea “products for tiddlywiki”:
  • "tiddlywiki with raspeberry pi “NAS”: backup, manager etc…
    • why?
      • “portable”
      • “configurable product for your company documents for 100 dollars”
      • “generate consumption on tiddlywiki as a product in small companies that need a small configurable documentation server”
      • “it’s cheap to build and sell”
      • system76 has its own brand of notebooks… so “we can have our own brand of portable tiddlywiki as community”
#117
1. Idea “Commercial plan with opencollective”
  1. “donate for infrastructure of tidlywiki” → “donate to maintain tiddlywiki hosting server to host plugins, apps, websites and more(Discourse, website official)… (Monthly|Annual)”
  2. “donate for maintain tidlywiki” → “donate to maintain tiddlywiki with security(BugBounty) and/or maintenance/fix/improvement (Monthly|Annual)”
  3. “donate for support” → “donate to maintain tiddlywiki with development(BountySource)”(Monthly|Annual)"
2. Idea “Commercial plan with Patreon”
  1. “donate for community members” → “donate money to keep people in the community employed to develop, plugins, tools using tiddlywiki technology (Monthly)” → “public from YouTube: tiddlywiki-community (tutorials/contents for tiddlywiki)”
3. Idea “Community rewards”
  1. BountySource: “get paid for the resources it develops, implements, solves”
  2. "BugBounty - Get rewarded for finding technical bugs on tiddlywiki " - reference: bug-bounty-platforms
  3. likes
  4. tiddlyhost free(account) etc
  5. “I think there are some interesting options around memberships — eg only people who donate can “vote” on something”
  6. gain recognition, scoring, more recommendation, open badges, courses, certifications
  7. “NTF(representational capitalism) - receive an NTF if you make a donation, whether volunteer or company”
4. Idea “revenue sources”
  1. “Tiddlywiki-community YouTube channel subscribers who watch tutorials on how to use the itddlywiki tool and receive a reward program such as discounts on hosting the tiddlywiki host, as well as receiving thanks in the videos. Subscribers to the YouTube channel tiddlywiki-community fund members of the tiddlywiki community to develop plugins, themes and everything else within the Patreon platform.”
  2. “Companies, public persons, developers, end users etc; can invest in tiddlywiki infrastructure(tiddlywiki host, discourse forum, website official) and/or support and/or ‘maintain tiddlywiki’ with Open Collective.”
  3. “Courses”
  4. “Certifications”
  5. “Freepremium”
  6. “Trainings”
  7. “tiddlywiki shirts” → “promote tiddlywiki” (by donation)
  8. “tiddlywiki minimal server” → “tiddlywiki with raspeberry pi for minimal NAS - as a product in small companies that need a small configurable documentation server” (by donation)"
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#118

So… Any more people set up a regular donation to tiddlywiki or tiddlyhost now we know where to go?!

https://tiddlyhost.com/donate

In response to pointing to places to pay on an empty wiki couldn’t this be as simple as being on the default tiddler in addition to the current settings tiddler. Most new users will see it a couple of times before setting their own default.

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#119

5 posts were split to a new topic: Paid plans for TiddlyHost

#120

Not yet, but I would like it to. See https://github.com/simonbaird/tiddlyhost/issues/145 .