Would you like to volunteer on the donations working group to help get this implemented?
→ #projects:opencollective
I don’t really know what I could add other than what I wrote already?
But I’ll take a look.
Best, TT
I’m looking for volunteers to commit time to getting things like this done.
Talk to Jeremy and the wider community for feedback. Do mock-ups. Write content. Check in on progress of donations monthly. Recruit others.
No problem if you don’t have the time. But “maybe someone should do X” isn’t enough to move things forward.
Right. The quandry of maintenance & money. I think it right to be open to modest charges for services.
Just a comment, TT
One way would be to have an advertising front-end on first download … that gives TW a cent or two … and then disappears
Ciao @boris, I wanted to comment on that.
I seriously think that there might actually be much work.
It is that we have no “Consultancy Business”
I think to get business you have to have a business to handle it …
I do wonder if we could have a central clearing house that could match developers with jobs?
Just an early thought,
TT
Great idea. Please put a project team together and make a page to start curating this.
I’m going to continue suggesting that people take action as the next step for every suggestion.
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The change-org website works on the public petition model, I believe that your idea is close to the public petition model.
1. I mentioned this… here “Open and free resource voting system”
2. But…
“I don’t think we should do voting, because that assumes there are some set of developers ready to be able to work on these features.” - @boris
- yeah!
3. concept
4. But…
This involves selecting the type of vote (democracy type):
- Direct democracy.
- Representative democracy.
- Constitutional democracy.
- Monitory democracy.
5. concept
5.1. Who requests resources?
Users using tiddlwiki, developers, designers
5.2. Who develops the resources?
programmers
5.3. who votes for resources?
- only users using tiddlwiki “only end users who vote”
- Users using tiddlwiki, developers, designers “everybody votes”
- developers only “developer only selection”
- designers only “selection only for people working on the product”
6. refs
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1. Example
1.1 “who votes for resources?”?
- Representative democracy “developers” and/or “designers” and/or “users using tiddlwiki”?
- Constitutional democracy *only members community tiddlywiki (discourse)? people who signed a voluntary contract term for tiddlywiki(community)?"
- …
examples/concepts
Please, no advertising, and if necessary, if it ever is, make it opt in only. Personally I can’t stand the crap, the world is drowning in it.
- Also if using an “advertising service” you may find adds for your competitor appearing and at a minimum they compete for the attention of the visitor and may drag them away.
- You are saying something wrong, wrong. He is right.
- What if you used that same advertising to promote other social pages on tiddlwiki and increase its value in people’s perceptions? Wouldn’t that be a good thing?
- The idea he suggested is good if used wisely.
- There are paid private advertisements where you earn money and can reinvest in the community and in any social project as Brave Rewards or EthicalAds
This reply is directly related to the OT " Money – Open Source & TW" in my view. Its about advertising as revenue.
That is a bit harsh, you chould agree to disagree, as I will, and object to the idea not the person, because “I think your ideas about advertising are wrong”. Express your view, fine, but you are not the “enforcer here”.
- First I suggested opt in
- But Its important to separate adds from recommendations
- Secondly I believe I have a right, and thus others, to be free from advertising and abuse of my attention. It is the lowest level class of revenue raising in my view.
- Maybe, but that does not alter my objection
- This is an option but I feel my arguments still stand, and if we are to choose to take this path, I think my points need to be considered (not dismissed).
4.1 Often actual “add revenue” is slow low, one thoughtful and supportive persons donation will exceed it. Yet, how many supporters do you loose with advertising?
I know my views are not so well known but there is a growing trend that rejects advertising everywhere, with people happy to pay to avoid it as long as its not black mail. Smarter people than me are saying an increasing number of people and organizations are rejecting the “attention seekers”.
- Decades ago Australia rejected large roadside bill boards everywhere, as does much of Europe. This is an example of the same issue. We have more views, safer roads and more attention. Some countries are ugly with billboards.
On community participation
Just imagine yourself chatting to strangers at a real “in person, get together” on a shared subject or interest. We are social animals and we are able to object without harsh or insulting ways of speaking.
- This is the same way we should behave here and in social media.
- We should not behave here in a way that in the physical world may result in being “escorted from the premises”.
- Although I think brevity is fine, it should not be directed at a person.
- If someone does not consider this, people will eventually freeze them out, bypass, avoid or ignore them.
To be a better person and community member it is important for us all to
- Respect others views
- Always consider your own view point may prove wrong
- Challenge ideas not the person
- Be prepared to change your mind
- Speak from your perspective not as if what you say is absolutely true.
- Not withstanding the above, we need to accommodate diversity, especially neurodiversity.
- I didn’t talk about you and only about your idea. You yourself agreed with me when I said “agree to disagree.” I said what you said was wrong… I told you about your idea.
- And again, if you said that, you didn’t understand what I said. I will be accurate as always.
- I said “You are saying something wrong, wrong. He is right.”, I disagreed with your idea and was agreeing with the previous idea.
- It makes no sense to criticize me, I didn’t disrespect in any way. I just said you were wrong, and when I say you’re wrong. I speak of your idea and not of your person.
- Sorry, but I think you read or misunderstood. Anyway, sorry even though I didn’t write anything wrong.
- I just said… that having a source of advertising revenue can be a good form of income, as it is done in any application or solution, it is still a good way.
If you’ve read this far, I think everything is ok… or now, if it wasn’t a miscommunication of mine or yours… or uf you were really offended, I apologize.
concept
1. Idea “success stories for tiddlywiki”:
- https://noteself.org/ “app”
- https://tiddlyhost.com/ “host”
2. Idea “products for tiddlywiki”:
- "tiddlywiki with raspeberry pi “NAS”: backup, manager etc…
- why?
- “portable”
- “configurable product for your company documents for 100 dollars”
- “generate consumption on tiddlywiki as a product in small companies that need a small configurable documentation server”
- “it’s cheap to build and sell”
- system76 has its own brand of notebooks… so “we can have our own brand of portable tiddlywiki as community”
- why?
1. Idea “Commercial plan with opencollective”
- “donate for infrastructure of tidlywiki” → “donate to maintain tiddlywiki hosting server to host plugins, apps, websites and more(Discourse, website official)… (Monthly|Annual)”
- “donate for maintain tidlywiki” → “donate to maintain tiddlywiki with security(BugBounty) and/or maintenance/fix/improvement (Monthly|Annual)”
- “donate for support” → “donate to maintain tiddlywiki with development(BountySource)”(Monthly|Annual)"
2. Idea “Commercial plan with Patreon”
- “donate for community members” → “donate money to keep people in the community employed to develop, plugins, tools using tiddlywiki technology (Monthly)” → “public from YouTube: tiddlywiki-community (tutorials/contents for tiddlywiki)”
3. Idea “Community rewards”
- BountySource: “get paid for the resources it develops, implements, solves”
- "BugBounty - Get rewarded for finding technical bugs on tiddlywiki " - reference: bug-bounty-platforms
- likes
- tiddlyhost free(account) etc
- “I think there are some interesting options around memberships — eg only people who donate can “vote” on something”
- gain recognition, scoring, more recommendation, open badges, courses, certifications
- “NTF(representational capitalism) - receive an NTF if you make a donation, whether volunteer or company”
4. Idea “revenue sources”
- “Tiddlywiki-community YouTube channel subscribers who watch tutorials on how to use the itddlywiki tool and receive a reward program such as discounts on hosting the tiddlywiki host, as well as receiving thanks in the videos. Subscribers to the YouTube channel tiddlywiki-community fund members of the tiddlywiki community to develop plugins, themes and everything else within the Patreon platform.”
- “Companies, public persons, developers, end users etc; can invest in tiddlywiki infrastructure(tiddlywiki host, discourse forum, website official) and/or support and/or ‘maintain tiddlywiki’ with Open Collective.”
- “Courses”
- “Certifications”
- “Freepremium”
- “Trainings”
- “tiddlywiki shirts” → “promote tiddlywiki” (by donation)
- “tiddlywiki minimal server” → “tiddlywiki with raspeberry pi for minimal NAS - as a product in small companies that need a small configurable documentation server” (by donation)"
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So… Any more people set up a regular donation to tiddlywiki or tiddlyhost now we know where to go?!
In response to pointing to places to pay on an empty wiki couldn’t this be as simple as being on the default tiddler in addition to the current settings tiddler. Most new users will see it a couple of times before setting their own default.
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