Let's brainstorm a name for the next version of TiddlyWiki

I’d baulk if it were a “pandemic” :laughing:!

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Did you have any other names you considered when you initially chose TiddlyWiki, mr. @jeremyruston? or possibly some you’ve heard in the past or considered at some point?

I’d love MetaWiki, but Facebook already claimed ownership for Meta…

Fred

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Yea, MetaWiki might be a bit rough to separate from FB, now.

What about HyperWiki? in the context of normal wiki software and hypertext, tiddlywiki sure does enough to be considered a peice of* hyper-wiki software

edit: grammer

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May I suggest “wikinception” ?

Fred

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Before i got involved in TiddlyWiki (March, 2005), I was active in the TWiki community.

As an interesting note for this discussion, Peter Thoeny (the creator of TWiki), in his bio (PeterThoeny < Main < TWiki), uses the phrase: “TWiki Enterprise Collaboration platform”, and the headline on the TWiki home page (https://twiki.org/) says: " TWiki - the Open Source Enterprise Wiki and Web Application Platform".

Thus, we see the use of elaboration of the name “TWiki”, perhaps as a way to mitigate the effects of a “silly-sounding name”.

I like alliteration… so I’ve described TiddlyWiki as:

“A Personal, Portable, Programmable Platform for Productivity”

-e

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There’s already a Rust programming language, so there may be confusion about the relationships involved.

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I like a name for TW made by some composition of two words: Jeremy Ruston or something related to him! Octave a famous Matlab clone is the name of Octave Levenspiel!

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I agree that Jermolene probably wouldn’t work. But I think Jeremy would.

Edit: We could create a false back-story that the kitten in the avatar was called ‘Jeremy’. Everyone loves kittens. Mostly.

As an aside, does it make sense to use a name that refers to “tiddlers” (a small fish, known as “minnows” to many english speaking people), but have a cat as an avatar?

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In favor of the brainstorming, at least as at mere imagination exercise, I would add that some of my native Spanish speaking students find tiddly and tiddler difficult to pronounce or they’re not pretty secure about the “triple consonant together” (“ddl”) pronunciation. Something with more vowel consonant vowel cadence would be good for Spanish speaking countries and maybe for other places.

Also I like the fungi/bio metaphors some have mentioned here, particularly: biowiki/cells, armillaria which pretty great in Spanish and I also like the idea of bioluminiscense, rizowiki (rhizowiki for English speakers).

In the interesting but taken ideas I would put FractalWiki, which is devoted only to fractals, but I thought about it thinking in the fractal nature of TiddlyWiki.

My $200 pesos (or USD 0.05… sadly… because exchange and inflation).

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TotallyWiki has the advantage of being really really close to TiddlyWiki, but avoiding the negative charge.

Like, totally, dude!

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My proposal is SpanWiki.

But Jeremy also said:

But, if I were ever to move on to a new version that was not intended to be fully backwards compatible then I would be inclined to adopt a new name.

So, unless I’ve missed something, if the name is to be changed, I don’t think it’s anything to do with the size of the community, but rather whether Jeremy decides to do a new version.

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They can not claim it as much as they would like, it was a common english term if not a colloquialism before Zuckerberg had his reinvention dream/nightmare just because Facebook is going sour.

I don’t think so.

It is just un-patentable usage.

A comment, TT

I love a guessing competition and find brainstorming more effective as a personal event one later “socialises”. I have done a little, but will share more later, and I am not totally in favor of a name change.

Perhaps rather than abandon tiddlyWiki, which has serious good google juice, I have always said start with a good compound like “TiddlyWiki Platform” and a phrase, like but not limited to “a non-linear personal web notebook”.

However along the line of what jeremy said;

What if we did a Fork of tiddlywiki with another name, with “built on tiddlywiki” in the “fine print”.
A fork could be done to introduce some of the ideas in TWX that have being raised, but careful design could permit one to leverage tiddlywiki under the covers. Perhaps a fork could be as simple as a new “default layout” with a somewhat more fashionable and functional look, even if not backward comparable because of some key “reinventions” the differences could be in a ways where the vast majority of wikitext and widgets were there just different ways to customise and hack core features would be different and come with comparative doco.

I must admit, whilst I love the Wiki concept tiddlywiki is more even than a smartwiki today.

  • “More than a wiki platform”
  • “Personal Wiki App platform”
  • “Personal App platform” PAP
  • “Personal or Public App Platform” PPAP
  • Or rather IPA - “Infinite Progressive App” or “InfiniteApp”

I like fractals, perhaps there lies opportunities?

  • Fractal App

I like quine as long as its non-trivial like most

  • NTQ - “Non-trivial Quine”
  • NTQAP - “Non-trivial Quine app platform”
  • Non-linear platform - NLP
  • nonlinearities / nonlinearity

TW can be a App/website/document/wiki/platform/server

  • intelligent/smart document platform IDP
  • intelligent Document application Platform iDAP (taken?)

an aside

What is intelligent document processing?


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Intelligent Document Processing (IDP) converts unstructured data. Both unstructured and semi-structured data can be converted into structured, usable information, providing end-to-end automation to document-centric business processes.


Imagination is unlimited, making a decision much harder.

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So HOW is that done?

Just asking, TT

See also this thread on googlegroups!

https://groups.google.com/g/TiddlyWiki/c/EShXN5LvQbA

We were discusing this two years ago!

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Mamma mia! I have a headache :slight_smile: TT

@TiddlyTweeter Well the name does not need to be an exact fit for what is tiddlywiki, otherwise tiddlywiki couldn’t evolve anymore without changing it’s name. IMO At best it should reflect a core feature (e.g : windows → in reference to the program windows), its philosophy/concept (wikipedia → encyclopedia + wiki), at worst I personally think it’s fine if it sounds “cool” or it is easy to remember/type/say (chrome, joplin, …). I was just tossing some ideas around to get the thread started.

Different names for different editions is a good solution but the “base” of these editions would need a name, and tiddlywiki seems problematic.

And I like your idea :slight_smile: It may induce some confusion with the engine builder company however.

@CodaCoder Very true. Please everyone, suggest a name + explanation of why you think the name is good/fitting. There is nothing official here, it’s more like a fun thought experiment that may be a useful reference one day if @jeremyruston do decide to change Tiddlywiki’s name.

@Jon Good point. I guess it would have been more accurate to say that we are brainstorming a name for the next version of tiddlywiki ! I will edit the title of this thread to reflect that, and make a note in my original post, thanks :slight_smile:

@Justin_H I like SilkWiki, a tiddler could be a thread (silk thread)! Once we have enough of suggestions, a poll would be a good idea, yes.

@Offray Pronunciation is a good think to take into account, yes. I like your Fractal idea, even thought tiddlywiki certainly doesnt like infinite recursive transclusion :grin:

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