Could we extend the get and has operators to allow reference to the shadow tiddler?

[TW_Tones]

As discussed below;

I think an operator parameter that allows get: shadow[fieldname] or has:shadow[fieldname] would make access to shadow tiddler fields much easier and testable.

• They would be easier to use in match/patch or to offer reset the default value etc…

How to Compare shadows tiddlers content with tiddler!

@twMat because you touched this thread I revisited it with a new perspective, Add this to @tw-FRed’s suggestion The following retrieves the text field <$view tiddler={{{ [[$:/DefaultTiddlers]shadowsource[]] }}} subtiddler="$:/DefaultTiddlers"/> The field parameter should also work to extract the shows fields value as well. To get a value and set a variable; <$set name=original tiddler={{{ [[$:/DefaultTiddlers]shadowsource[]] }}} subtiddler="$:/DefaultTiddlers"> original=<<original>> </$s…

[jeremyruston]

@TW_Tones

I think an operator parameter that allows get: shadow[fieldname] or has:shadow[fieldname] would make access to shadow tiddler fields much easier and testable.

I don’t think that will work because a given tiddler can be present as a shadow tiddler in multiple plugins.

[pmario]

We do have [[xxx]shadowsource[]] which can give a list of possible plugins.

So with a more specific info about the source for get eg: get:shadow:source[title] it may be possible retrieve the info.

Every wiki has a GettingStarted tiddler, which could be overwritten by plugins. The problem is, that the last pluign that contains it will win.

I sometimes thought, it would be nice if the core GettingStarted would have a possibility to list all GettingStarted tiddlers from all plugins.

So for me the request does make sense, thinking in that direction.

[TW_Tones]

It would help if the named shadow source were a variable or value of a field.

[pmario]

It would be possible to have a syntax like this:

getshadow[title],[source] or getshadow[title],<source> ...

getshadow:field-name[title],[source]

IMO that’s worth some experimenting. @jeremyruston what do you think?

[jeremyruston]

@pmario

It would be possible to have a syntax like this:

I think it maybe almost as easy to use the JSON operators directly:

<$text text={{{ [{$:/core}jsonget[tiddlers],[$:/core/copyright.txt],[text]] }}}/>

One could also make a user defined function:

\function .shadow-source(source,title)
[<source>get[text]jsonget[tiddlers],<title>,[text]]
\end

<$text text={{{ [.shadow-source[$:/core],[$:/core/copyright.txt]] }}}/>

[pmario]

@jeremyruston

I think it maybe almost as easy to use the JSON operators directly:

That’s nice. We would need to document that and we may be good to go.

[jeremyruston]

@pmario

That’s nice. We would need to document that and we may be good to go.

Assistance would be much appreciated with that.

[TW_Tones]

I would add a field parameter as well (defaulting to text), to solve some of the issues raised elsewhere recently.

[TW_Tones]

Just trying to keep this active;

@TW_Tones

I would add a field parameter as well (defaulting to text), to solve some of the issues raised elsewhere recently.

Although the below is more complex to write than the OT it would at least fill the gap.

\function .shadow-source(source, title, field:"text")
[<source>get[text]jsonget[tiddlers],<title>,<field>]
\end

<$text text={{{ [.shadow-source[$:/core],[$:/core/copyright.txt],[fieldnameifnottext]] }}}/>