I was able to pull a more complete transcript, but it still misses the first 10 minutes (click here to reveal it)
3:18 PM Birthe C: Starting a new TW up = going to tiddlytools
3:18 PM Russ Thomas: For me, $action-timeout is his prime
3:18 PM Mat: (might it be Jeremys mic that causes an Echo when Eric speaks?)
3:19 PM Russ Thomas: @Mat. I bet.
3:19 PM Justin Hurd: possibly, or if Eric has the stream audio and his own playing, like through a speaker.
3:19 PM Mat: @Jeremy Ruston - do you think you could test if your mic is causing the echo that all viewers hear from Eric?
3:19 PM Jeremy Ruston: Mat - the echo isn’t through my ephones
3:20 PM Mat: Right, that is why I think you may be causing it.
3:20 PM Russ Thomas: is anyone else on the feed?
3:20 PM Dave Gifford: the echo is not that bad
3:20 PM Jeremy Ruston: No, I can see the meter showing what sound is coming out of my microphone and it doesn’t wurble when Eric is talking
3:20 PM Justin Hurd: yea its fine enough for me
3:20 PM Jeremy Ruston: We had a similar echo yesterday
3:20 PM Mat: OK
3:20 PM Jeremy Ruston: Hi Dave Gifford – could I ask you join us in the chat when you’re ready? There are instructions in my latest post to the forum
3:21 PM Dave Gifford: sure, I will try to figure it out now
3:21 PM Jeremy Ruston: Thank you
3:21 PM Jeremy Ruston: Ref: the echo, it happens even if I am not streaming, so it’s something to do with vdo.ninja I think
3:22 PM Russ Thomas: vdo.grasshopper then
3:22 PM Russ Thomas: fixed!
3:23 PM Russ Thomas: well, briefly
3:23 PM Anthony Muscio: better not fixed?
3:24 PM Justin Hurd: I spy a wild Dave in the stream
3:24 PM Dave Gifford: Reverse Dave, the video is flipped horizontally
3:26 PM Jeremy Ruston: The echo seems worse when Dave is talking
3:26 PM Mat: Lots of echo
3:26 PM Justin Hurd: yea, i agree
3:26 PM Jeremy Ruston: I’ve muted eric
3:26 PM Anthony Muscio: too much
3:26 PM Justin Hurd: also if you are using obs, you can make a text field to put below them to show their names for new viewers
3:26 PM Birthe C: Very har to understand - echo
3:27 PM Anthony Muscio: I thinks its in your mixing Jeremy
3:27 PM Thomas Elmiger: Much better
3:27 PM stobot: Great!
3:27 PM Justin Hurd: audio sounds good!
3:27 PM Mat: Much better!
3:27 PM Birthe C: Better far better
3:27 PM Russ Thomas: lots better
3:28 PM Anthony Muscio: But better now
3:29 PM Mat: Sorry… lots of echo
3:29 PM Thomas Elmiger: Echo is back
3:29 PM Justin Hurd: strange how it went a way for short period of time
3:29 PM Birthe C: Sounds like singing from outerspace
3:29 PM Mat: @Jeremy Ruston - maybe they have the youtube video active in the forum thread where you linked a direct link in the discussion?
3:30 PM Mat: I.e in a different tab, still open there.
3:30 PM Jeremy Ruston: Dave said that he had closed the YouTube stream tab
3:30 PM Russ Thomas: @Jeremy Ruston Can you make Dave presenter?
3:30 PM Anthony Muscio: I just know that you fixed it before in the last video some where in your mixing Jeremy, I dont know the software tools
3:31 PM Russ Thomas: Your feed is clear Jeremy
3:32 PM Anthony Muscio: Everyone but Jeremy gets these problems. Hence something between the other tool and Youtube.
3:32 PM Justin Hurd: that does make it seem like it is bandwidtch then
3:33 PM Anthony Muscio: Just dont speak too fast please dave
3:33 PM Russ Thomas: @Jeremy Ruston in OBS, is “deskop audio” selected? I think that’s what it’s called…
3:33 PM Russ Thomas: I’d turn that off
3:33 PM Justin Hurd: fixed!
3:33 PM Taylor Worthington: Fixed
3:34 PM Mat: fixed
3:34 PM Anthony Muscio: That was it
3:34 PM Justin Hurd: good job Russ
3:34 PM Jeremy Ruston: OK I didn’t change anything, so that’s pretty definitive!
3:34 PM Russ Thomas: Hmm
3:34 PM stobot: Particularly love the “TiddlyWiki Toolmap” Dave! Great companion to “TiddlyTools” of Eric’s 
3:34 PM Russ Thomas: baffling
3:34 PM Justin Hurd: oh, well thats strange 
3:34 PM Russ Thomas: toolmap - yep. Brilliant.
3:35 PM Mat: @Dave Gifford - show us! 
3:35 PM Anthony Muscio: TiddlyWIki as a platform to generate content outside of it, one of many powers.
3:36 PM Justin Hurd: developer by heart, not by trade!
3:36 PM Anthony Muscio: TiddlyWiki Script Kiddy?
3:36 PM Justin Hurd: arent we all? lol
3:37 PM Russ Thomas: wikitext is a language… any communicable medium can be considered a language
3:37 PM Anthony Muscio: computable?
3:37 PM Thomas Elmiger: Enveloper, not developer – I like that!
3:37 PM Russ Thomas: Stroll – Yes please
3:38 PM Jeremy Ruston: Here’s a link to a 2006 version of Eric’s TiddlyTools: Wayback Machine…
3:42 PM Birthe C: The twostory made it so easy to compare tiddler text - and edit accordingly
3:43 PM Robb Hensley: Thank you , just thank you!
3:43 PM Jeremy Ruston: Thank you Dave!
3:44 PM Anthony Muscio: One of the big differences is the community and Eric and Dave are examples of contributions in different ways. Questions and answers.
3:45 PM Mat: @Jeremy Ruston - I posted these questions in the forum just before the meeting started:
3:45 PM Jeremy Ruston: Thanks Mat I saw those too
3:47 PM Mat: Eric - I’d love to see some demos of things you think would benefit people. “What would probably benefit a TW user if he/she knew about” that you have created?
3:47 PM Anthony Muscio: I used to look at the recent tab of tiddlytools every other day.
3:49 PM Anthony Muscio: THere was always another easter Egg
3:50 PM Russ Thomas: I used to use that!
3:50 PM Anthony Muscio: And the cookie Jar
3:51 PM Jeremy Ruston: Who would like to a demo next? Can be something you’ve published, or just something private that you’d be able to click around briefly to give us a flavour of how you use TiddlyWiki
3:51 PM Jeremy Ruston: Birthe? Tony?
3:52 PM Anthony Muscio: My Key GTD wiki
3:52 PM Jeremy Ruston: Let me know if anyone is pressed for time, otherwise I hope we can get to everyone who would like to demo
3:53 PM Russ Thomas: I have a work meeting top of the hour
3:53 PM Birthe C: I am not able to demo - old equipment
3:53 PM Justin Hurd: I’m not in any rush, so I’d like to volunteer to go last! all I really have for show is a transcluding stylesheet Ive been working on 🤷♂
3:55 PM Justin Hurd: Has eric considered a video linked to the webpage to play in the bg if the visitor has internet connection?
3:55 PM Justin Hurd: like, using an iframe with a backup photo
3:56 PM Russ Thomas: @Jeremy Ruston such a slouch 
3:57 PM Russ Thomas: I always said you should write a memoir
3:58 PM Russ Thomas: $action-timeout
3:58 PM Russ Thomas: yes!
3:59 PM Justin Hurd: lol Russ has been waiting all stream
3:59 PM Russ Thomas: lol
3:59 PM Russ Thomas: right when I need to drop out
3:59 PM Russ Thomas: @Justin Hurd forum pm
4:01 PM Anthony Muscio: Yes, Eric always pushed the limits. These timer related tools are revolutionary whist remaining robust and integrated.
4:02 PM Jeremy Ruston: Eeek echoes seem to have suddenly got worse… again I haven’t changed anything 
4:02 PM arunnbabu81: @russ are you there in the talk-tiddlywiki forum ?
4:02 PM Anthony Muscio: No echos in my ears
4:02 PM Justin Hurd: @Jeremy Ruston I dont hear any echoing.
4:02 PM Russ Thomas: no echoes here
4:02 PM Justin Hurd: Does anyone else hear it>
4:02 PM Justin Hurd: ?*
4:02 PM Birthe C: No - sound is fine
4:03 PM Taylor Worthington: That. is. crazy.
4:03 PM arunnbabu81: no echo here
4:03 PM Jeremy Ruston: Phew! That’s interesting, more variables!
4:03 PM Mat: haha - I didn’t realize he made those things in css! brilliant!
4:03 PM Justin Hurd: its unfortunate that I have friends who cannot read a standard analogue clock 
4:03 PM Anthony Muscio: Really?
4:04 PM Justin Hurd: yep, cursive and other things like these are a lost art for younger folks like myself
4:04 PM Russ Thomas: Honestly, I don’t know where he finds the time (sorry, I had to)
4:05 PM Justin Hurd: you know, a fun use of these faces is styling them to run as the different face designs of a smartwatch
4:05 PM Mat: Justin, do they not teach analog clocks in school?
4:05 PM Justin Hurd: oop, i think Jeremy is cut off the screen
4:06 PM Justin Hurd: Mmm, I’m not sure, I rememebr them in math problems back when I was in highschool, but otherwise I do not know.
4:06 PM Birthe C: In school - my parents tried to get me to know the clock before I knew the numbers. But I got lots of presents and candy - very stimulating for learning
4:06 PM Anthony Muscio: Just the clocks
4:07 PM Justin Hurd: I learned because my grandparents had a massive one in the living room that I would try to play with. Needless to say I may have been the demise of that old clockface…
4:07 PM 路提: Edit-list ，this macro i love it very much，it s powerful
4:07 PM Birthe C: Well I was 2 years old and placed in a box in their grocery shop.
4:10 PM Justin Hurd: the calendar is a personal favorite of mine! styling it is a bit tricky imo though
4:10 PM Mat: Birthe … what on earth are you talking about? 
4:11 PM Birthe C: The clocks - and time
4:12 PM Jeremy Ruston: Tony would you be interested in joining the video chat?
4:12 PM Jeremy Ruston: Might depend on headphones and internet connection!
4:13 PM Anthony Muscio: Are you referring to me?
4:14 PM Jeremy Ruston: Sorry did Eric’s audio just drop out for a seconds or two?
4:14 PM Jeremy Ruston: Yes sorry Anthony Muscio!
4:14 PM Mat: yes
4:14 PM Jeremy Ruston: Thanks Mat
4:14 PM Russ Thomas: a/v dropped hear
4:14 PM Russ Thomas: here*
4:15 PM Anthony Muscio: No Problem, you mean now or next time?
4:15 PM Russ Thomas: pancake tuesday every day in the US
4:15 PM Jeremy Ruston: 5 minutes Anthony Muscio?
4:16 PM Jeremy Ruston: I’ll let Eric finish then do some introductions then come to you if that’s OK?
4:16 PM Anthony Muscio: It is brilliant Eric
4:16 PM Anthony Muscio: Jeremy I am not sure I have the software?
4:17 PM Jeremy Ruston: Have a look at my last message in the forum and follow the link there – all happens in the browser
4:18 PM Russ Thomas: Eric was crystal
4:19 PM Jeremy Ruston: Thanks
4:21 PM Russ Thomas: XPCOM I thought
4:23 PM FsB Gaming: thanks jeremy, you had inspired me to make my own implementasion as a toy project.
4:23 PM Anthony Muscio: I dont have headphones handy sorry,
4:24 PM FsB Gaming: learned alot from TW
4:24 PM Dave Gifford: here tones fine
4:24 PM Dave Gifford: hear
4:24 PM Mat: sound is good
4:24 PM Justin Hurd: I dont hear any echoing, i think its good!
4:25 PM Birthe C: Audio f ine
4:25 PM Dave Gifford: Tone’s tone’s fine
4:25 PM Justin Hurd: ohh now i hear an echo
4:25 PM Mat: Now much echo!
4:25 PM FsB Gaming: now it’s echoing
4:25 PM Mat: It was good moments ago
4:25 PM Justin Hurd: there we go!
4:25 PM Mat: NOW good again!
4:26 PM FsB Gaming: awesome
4:26 PM Mat: (no sound from Eric now…)
4:27 PM Mat: Weak mumbling from Eric. Good sound from tony and jeremy.
4:27 PM Jeremy Ruston: Thanks everyone
4:34 PM Taylor Worthington: I used to use TreePad before TiddlyWIki
4:34 PM Birthe C: Treepad was very goog used that one too.
4:34 PM Taylor Worthington: Same experience
4:35 PM Birthe C: I still have my treepad running. to mauch text to export.
4:35 PM Dave Gifford: Have to leave, day job intervenes. Blessings to all.
4:36 PM Birthe C: Bye - and thanks to you
4:36 PM Taylor Worthington: The only alternative is to run a personal MediaWiki instance
4:36 PM Taylor Worthington: Zim Wiki is still hierarchical
4:37 PM Birthe C: I have tried Zim - did not like it.
4:37 PM Taylor Worthington: Zim is a system app, and it allows you to run Linux commands
4:38 PM Birthe C: I do understand that - but I do think it is for me
4:39 PM Jeremy Ruston: Would anyone like to get ready to join us in the video chat? Mat? Justin? Russ?
4:40 PM Justin Hurd: If no one else is interested, I’m fine to! cough drops have been a life saver haha
4:41 PM Jeremy Ruston: Thanks Justin, do please join us - there are instructions in my last post in the forum
4:48 PM Mat: I could join but would be better if I had time to prepare some stuff, so better if tomorrow or sunday. That OK?
4:48 PM Alex McLean: Oh, happy birthday!
4:48 PM Justin Hurd: alrighty, I think I have everything ready on my end
4:49 PM Alex McLean: oh, still 10 days to go
4:50 PM Taylor Worthington: I might add however that there are crucial core functions that cannot be done at present - but it is not always clear which is which.
4:51 PM Jeremy Ruston: Great thanks Justin I’ll ping you in a moment
4:51 PM Jeremy Ruston: Hi Alex McLean thanks for dropping by!
4:54 PM Eric Shulman: @jeremy you have me muted!
4:55 PM Jeremy Ruston: Eric I don’t have you muted, it seems that something about Tones’ connection is blocking you. I think you’ll be audible when Tones drops off
4:55 PM Eric Shulman: “The director has muted you”
4:59 PM Jeremy Ruston: Justin come in when you can
4:59 PM Jeremy Ruston: Thank you Tones! Much appreciated
5:00 PM Mat: Very low volume for Eric!
5:00 PM Anthony Muscio: I am back in YouTube
5:00 PM Mat: OK; works if max loudspeaker.
5:00 PM Mat: audio good now!
5:02 PM Mat: Tones - thanks for your pres! Interesting stuff.
5:03 PM Anthony Muscio: I hope it was useful
5:04 PM Anthony Muscio: I agree Eric, Totally.
5:05 PM Taylor Worthington: It’s a good point. My file manager renames the files, and I’ve considered running a script in order to un-rename the files.
5:08 PM Taylor Worthington: Showing the caption as the header
5:08 PM Anthony Muscio: I am going to have to see the video tomorrow, as its 2am here. Good night friends
5:08 PM Mat: @Jeremy Ruston - can you ask if Justin is transcluding smaller ss into a bigger one or how did he achieve that?
5:09 PM Mat: or how is the hierarchy achieved?
5:10 PM Mat: (does the hiearchy correspond to the cascade?)
5:10 PM Thomas Elmiger: Ah, no, only to activate/inactivate.
5:11 PM Mat: - so what is the cascade order when he activates/deactivates?
5:16 PM Mat: Discord URL?
5:19 PM Justin Hurd: the stylesheet works by taking children stylsheets and transcluding their content into the main sheet, with @media elements determining which will appear based on if you are on a mobile aspect ratio
5:19 PM Justin Hurd: or a desktop ratio
5:20 PM Justin Hurd: I plan to replace the manully typed transclusions with filters that transclude the content, probably by tags.
5:21 PM Justin Hurd: also, discord has a web platform and a dedicated app, I’ve been in video chats with upwards to 25+ people (using discord plugins I think) and it’s quite good.
5:22 PM Mat: decades! HOORRAYYY!
5:23 PM Mat: @Jeremy Ruston - twx are we still talking open source?
5:23 PM Justin Hurd: I hope so :>
5:25 PM Mat: YAY!
5:26 PM Justin Hurd: trial and error, leads to brilliance ^^
5:28 PM Thomas Elmiger: Thank you all! CU
5:28 PM Mat: Thank you Jeremy and everyone!!!
5:28 PM Birthe C: Thank you
5:28 PM Justin Hurd: Cya later 
5:28 PM Simon Thomas: Thanks Jeremy and all!
5:29 PM Jeremy Ruston: Thank you! Is anyone able to copy the chat somewhere else? Not working for me because I’m looking at it within OBS
5:30 PM Justin Hurd: Do you have an option in youtube to export it?
