In other groups in which I have participated something like this would be probably be inadmissible due to fears of legal actions from major production companies. Apparently they have teams of assistants that scour the web for possible IP violations.
No problem. Thanks for your contribution.
I do have that worry about Tardis imagery, as well. (In addition, it’s culturally a bit “niche”. I’m in that niche — I love it! — but other images, such as cats, sunsets, dinos and trains, would have wider resonance globally.)
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Unfortunately that is always a point (one I haven’t thought about a lot I admit). I am absolutely no expert in that. Neather Doctor Who nor TARDIS is mentioned in the picture. I can “abstract” the TARDIS a bit more. I don’t want to cause any trouble. So if you all think it would be better not to have it in the voting process just take it out. No problem here. 
A side note, but as some of you will already know, the TARDIS is actually just an enchanted police telephone box, which were once a common feature of London streets.
Maybe it could be a valid part of TiddlyWiki lore. One of the few remaining police boxes is located very close to where I lived as a youngster – pretty thrilling when you’re 12 years old. Sadly, the original box was replaced by a rather poor replica in 1996, and I can’t find any pictures of the original, but somewhere there is a photo of me standing next to it.
(This also has implications from a copyright perspective as it means that depictions of the police box do not infringe any rights held by Doctor Who).
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A vero.
Ma (but) the Tardis, kinda captures a specificity of TW well (massive potential=big inside).
TBH I’m neutral on the image decided upon so long as it works to communicate something about TW.
BTW, with the Tardis we could also have a Theme Tune …
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Unlikely. The Tardis is a huge meme in British culture.
Example: “Who are you?” “Dr. Who.” “Dr. who?” “The man with a Tardis.”
Right. It became iconic. Trafalgar Square (Central London) kept their police phone box because of it’s attraction for visitors. I dunno if it is still there.
A cultural meme is very legally different to an Official Logo/advertising for a Product. Even a free one.
I love Doctor Who, and I think the conceptual associations with TW are fantastic. But I think putting it on a banner is likely to be highly dubious legally (IANAL though).
I really like this banner. It really encapsulates the ES5 EOL in my opinion. The end of an era when we couldn’t use arrow functions, or destructuring, or Promises. The end of support for antiquated browsers.
I think for 5.4.0 we should have a similar picture but with the more sunrise color theme. A new day for JavaScript developers in TiddlyWiki. A new day for efficient coding practices. A new era of promise-based optimizations.
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?? As far as I can tell, sunrises and sunsets have exactly the same colors. The only way to tell the difference is to know whether we’re looking east or west. 
Who should we ask to check that?
sunrises are shining through cold night air, and nighttime is usually less windy, so it’s also shining through cleaner air.
The result is sunrises can have a distinctly different look to sunsets.
Whether it’s distinct enough to be widely evident in an illustration is another question entirely.
The point I was trying to make in my post above was that a depiction of an old police box cannot infringe the rights held by Doctor Who.
Right.
I don’t think it an issue. It’s just a photo of the box. Not a copy of a Dr Who still.
Also the first theme tune is now in the public domain?
Indeed, this would give us statistical correlations, even if many images could be either (until further orientation is provided).
So I suppose an illustration that exaggerates one extreme (heat-mirage-with-dust for sunset) or the other (less distortion and less orange, perhaps misty effects on landscape) would send a signal in one direction or the other.
Maybe with that in mind, if we like the idea of a sunset – sunrise banner pair, we could really lean into the contrast starting with this one…
For a random photo of an old police box that isn’t promoting a product, I would agree that’s true.
For an illustration of the design (which is trademarked to the BBC) or even a photo of one that has the iconic look, used to promote a product? I think that’s on shaky ground.
AIUI, UK Copyright law on music is “life of the creator + 70 years”, which means copyright expires in 2051, 2071, or 2033, depending if the calculation applies to Ron (wrote the tune), Delia (created the first version), or the BBC itself for commissioning it.
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They’re a relatively small organisation who allow (almost) anyone to upload almost anything, and they dont have the staff to review them all. Results in a LOT of technical copyright breaches, and one as short as a theme tune, is probably not worth the BBC’s effort, even after 14 years. (but I have seen plenty of stuff disappear from archive.org too).
Copyright doesn’t require ongoing vigilance from the copyright holders, for them to retain copyright, whilst trademark holders DO have to continuously protect it, lest it be argued it has expired or become public domain through common usage.
With ongoing vigilance, trademarks are eternal. Copyright has a limit, and (except for lobbying to change the law), has a set expiry no matter what the copyright owner does. (though between comissioned works, contracts assigning copyright, sampling and remixing and mashups, etc etc etc, the exact status of some copyright works can be unclear). In so many ways, the system is a mess!
Right.
Your understanding seems very thoughtful and helpful.
Practically for JR (@jeremyruston) how free is he to announce “Tardis x” from a blue police phonebox?