A multi-column Layout / Storyview

[Ste_W]

@BurningTreeC

I hope that now it animates like you imagined

Yes! Thankyou! That looks good.

[BurningTreeC]

@arunnbabu81

When I am keeping amount of columns in horizontal view as 1 and using Alt+S to get the horizontal view, always the first column is shown even if the 2nd or 3rd columns is the current active column.

Thanks @arunnbabu81 , this should be fixed now

@arunnbabu81

Ctrl-Alt-M/N to remove and add columns were not working in my windows laptop in chrome browser - I had to change the shortcuts to make it working. In Firefox I guess it was working. But now when I used Ctrl-Alt-M/N , all the tiddlers from all columns are getting disappeared.

I don’t understand what’s happening on your laptop. Could you describe it a little bit better?

Thank you,
Simon

[BurningTreeC]

@BurningTreeC

Thanks @arunnbabu81 , this should be fixed now

No - it’s not fixed. But I tried

[TiddlyTweeter]

@arunnbabu81

But all keyboard shortcuts are configurable. We can use which ever suit our working environment.

Right!

TBH I’m trying to look at the issue not from the author perspective but as a TW put on the wild internet that could be used on several end-user platforms.

What keyboard shortcuts might be common between platforms?

(TBH, IMO, keyboard shortcut configuration cross-platform can become a nightmare??? Not BTC’s issue. He’s bending over backwards already and done good.)

TT

[TiddlyTweeter]

@BurningTreeC

I cannot change the fact that it’s possible to open tiddlers twice or more times from the sidebar for example. In that case it’s impossible to determine which tiddler should be scrolled into view…

TBH, I don’t think that is generally a problem.

For instance, IF someone needs to open 14 instances of their address label Tiddler (to be able to print them to physical labels that are 2 columns wide x 7 rows long) there is no need to auto-focus on one in particular.

Just a side comment, TT

[TiddlyTweeter]

@BurningTreeC

I would really appreciate your feedback, to the shortcuts

Platform: Chromebook (O/S up to date)
Browser: Chrome
Device: Lenevo touchscreen tablet with hardware keyboard

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Findings: (Note: I'm *no* expert on Chromebook shortcuts but I changed nothing in it's OS settings) ...

Alt-Shift-S – shows the OS sidebar not the TW one
Alt-Down – does nothing
Alt-Up – does nothing
Alt-Home – key does not exist??
Alt-End – key does not exist??
Alt-Shift-Down – does nothing
Alt-Shift-Up – does nothing

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ALL the rest -- work as expected.

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Footnote: I’m no way an expert on this kinda thing!
But @CodaCoder is. And it might be worth asking him to take a look from a Chromebook point of view??

Very best wishes, TT

[TiddlyTweeter]

@BurningTreeC

Question: should we navigate to the next/previous column when we move a tiddler there?

Ciao BTC

I’m looking at the navigation in general a bit.

The tool is very sophisticated, yet is still, to it’s merit, TW standards compliant.

I do think “Tiddler focus” (especially when using keyboard shortcuts) is sometimes an issue. But I need to test that more to be able to explain the use cases coherently.

A dopo, TT

[BurningTreeC]

Thank you @TiddlyTweeter for reporting all these interesting findings!

I’d be very interested in what the $:/ControlPanel detects on your Chromebook if you change the shortcuts “navigate-Up” and “navigate-Down” and press “Alt-Up” and “Alt-Down” in the keyboard-shortcut-input field

[CodaCoder]

@TiddlyTweeter

But @CodaCoder is. And it might be worth asking him to take a look from a Chromebook point of view??

I’m afraid you’re mistaken. I’ve never seen a Chromebook, let alone used one – or ChromeOS, for that matter.

Sorry

[TiddlyTweeter]

@CodaCoder

I’m afraid you’re mistaken

Eek! Terrible mistake on my part! I Made a Mistake - YouTube (Mamma mia, where did I get that the idea you were Chromebook 101?) TT, x

[arunnbabu81]

@BurningTreeC

@arunnbabu81

Ctrl-Alt-M/N to remove and add columns were not working in my windows laptop in chrome browser - I had to change the shortcuts to make it working. In Firefox I guess it was working. But now when I used Ctrl-Alt-M/N , all the tiddlers from all columns are getting disappeared.

I don’t understand what’s happening on your laptop. Could you describe it a little bit better?

I have to change the Ctrl-Alt-M/N to something else for it to work in my windows laptop. May be due to conflict with some browser shortcuts. Not sure why its happening.

@arunnbabu81

But now when I used Ctrl-Alt-M/N , all the tiddlers from all columns are getting disappeared.

This behavior is not seen now. What i meant was that when I press the shortcut to create or remove columns, all the tiddlers from all the columns were getting removed automatically (TW column framework is there in the background, but the tiddlers wont be seen)

[TiddlyTweeter]

@BurningTreeC

I’d be very interested in what the $:/ControlPanel detects on your Chromebook if you change the shortcuts “navigate-Up” and “navigate-Down” and press “Alt-Up” and “Alt-Down” in the keyboard-shortcut-input field

My Chromebook inserts as follows into the M-C Keyboard Shortcuts …

navigate-up – alt-Up = “Page_up”
navigate-down – alt-Down = “Page_down”
move-down – alt-shift-Down = “shift-Page_down”
move-up – alt-shift-Up = “shift-Page_up”

FYI, on Chromebooks, there are special key combos to emulate “Home/End” (not widely documented??) …

navigate-first ?? – ctrl-alt-Up = “Home”
navigate-last ?? – ctrl-alt-Down = “End”

Regarding alt-shift-S: I couldn’t get anywhere as the OS overrides attempts to enter it in the Keyboard Shortcuts, showing the OS sidebar instead. (The Chromebook keyboard is somewhat different than that on other platforms. For instance “Caps Lock” is actually replaced by “Search”; which can often be used as “Alt” too.)

I hope this answers what you were asking about! TT

[BurningTreeC]

Thanks @TiddlyTweeter , very interesting!

But it confirms what I thought, that you should be able to define your own kb shortcuts for your chromebook

[BurningTreeC]

Hi all,

I’ve released version 0.0.1-beta of the plugin

You ca find it here

Note that you need the current prerelease in order for it to work correctly

Best wishes,
Simon

[TiddlyTweeter]

@BurningTreeC

I’ve released version 0.0.1-beta of the plugin

You ca find it here

Looking good! I’ll test more and report back.

TT

[Watt]

Thanks Simon!

On an ipad with duckduckgo - everything works, it is a beauty!

On an android mobile with duckduckgo or firefox I’m getting unexpected results.

Tested on your own demo site. MultiColumn Layout — a non-linear personal web notebook

On duckduckgo with drag enabled pressing and holding a tiddler to drag causes it to disappear completely from column view. (Not deleted, but closed). With drag disabled it doesn’t disappear but text isn’t selectable either.

On firefox with drag enabled, pressing and holding a tiddler to drag only selects text or image download. Dragging doesn’t work.
With drag disabled text is selectable.

In short the drag/text toggle doesn’t seem to be working on android.

I’m not sure if dragging was ever doable on a mobile, but the disappearing tiddlers looks unintended.

Be interested to see if other android users see the same behaviour, or is it just my phone?

Best wishes

[TiddlyTweeter]

@BurningTreeC

confirms what I thought, that you should be able to define your own kb shortcuts for your chromebook

Ok! Point taken. If I bothered (basically I use d-n-d as it works well; so I don’t need keyboard shortcuts to do what I need) I’d try work out what keys are optimal on Chromebook so my end-users could benefit.

A problem is that the TW Keyboard Settings have no precise slot for Chromebook settings??? That seems to make it more complicated???

A comment, TT

[TiddlyTweeter]

@BurningTreeC

I’ve released version 0.0.1-beta of the plugin

You ca find it here

Ciao Simon BTC

I have a request. Would it be possible to have an option to switch OFF all scrollers?

By way of background I been experimenting with the plugin as a tool to create website layouts that are “seamless”. It is looking very promising. (I’ll post an example once I properly tried the beta.)

Saluti, TT

[TiddlyTweeter]

@Watt

I’m not sure if dragging was ever doable on a mobile, but the disappearing tiddlers looks unintended.

Be interested to see if other android users see the same behaviour, or is it just my phone?

It is NOT just your phone.

It is an irony that the (supposedly) best touch environments (smart phones) are basically, awful at d-n-d, that is easy on desktop or chromebook.

Architecturally I’m not sure what the answer is, though @BurningTreeC may know as he did stuff before on that kinda problem???

Just FYI, right now I’ll use Simon’s plugin to make wikis for reading on any platform, but won’t expose the tool-ology of it on Android at all yet.

Just a comment, TT

[Watt]

You’re right TT, it works in all the right places and it’s still early days. The disappearing tiddlers are a bit weird, but it might be some kind of android quirk. I haven’t got an android tablet to test it on now, but it’s only feedback anyway, this plugin is getting better all the time. You’ve made something really useful BTC, thanks a lot!