Trying to understand syntax

#21

Great, thanks again! I will do whatever I can to reduce the amount of code :slightly_smiling_face:

One last question, I am listing the spells with their cost and summary (a one line description), using:

<$list filter="[!has[draft.of]tag[Spell]sort[title]]">
<$link/> [{{!!final-cost}}] "{{!!summary}}"<br>
</$list>

Which displays:
Example Spell [25] “Clone this to create your new Spell”
Fireball V1 [15] “”
Fireball V2 [14] “”
Fireball V3 [8] “”

is there a way to only display the quotes (“”) if {{!!summary}} is not empty? Just wondering (I can certainly live with what I have… but if I can learn more…)

#22

It is a bit convoluted and I’m curious to see of anyone has better ideas, because there are many ways, but here is one way:

{{{ [{!!summary}!is[blank]addprefix["]addsuffix["]] }}}

Unfortunately this, as usual, results in a linkified output. But you can present the output with a custom template:

{{{ [{!!summary}!is[blank]addprefix["]addsuffix["]] || mytemplate }}}

…and the template is a tiddler titled mytempalte containing <$view field=title/>

(IMO, TW should feature some much better way to textify the output from a filter)

EDIT: reading my own linked to post, I found this

<$text text={{{ [{!!summary}!is[blank]addprefix["]addsuffix["]] }}} />

#23

Here’s a couple of minor syntax improvements to consider:

1 to 10:
<blockquote>
<$list filter="[tag[Spell]!has[draft.of]] :filter[{!!final-cost}compare:integer:lteq[10]]  +[sort[title]]">
   <$link/> [{{!!final-cost}}]<br>
</$list>
</blockquote>
11 to 20:
<blockquote>
<$list filter="[tag[Spell]!has[draft.of]] :filter[{!!final-cost}compare:integer:lteq[20]compare:integer:gt[10]]  +[sort[title]]">
   <$link/> [{{!!final-cost}}]<br>
</$list>
</blockquote>
21 to 30:
<blockquote>
<$list filter="[tag[Spell]!has[draft.of]] :filter[{!!final-cost}compare:integer:lteq[30]compare:integer:gt[20]]  +[sort[title]]">
   <$link/> [{{!!final-cost}}]<br>
</$list>
</blockquote>

  1. Start your filter with tag[Spell]. The tag[] operator is highly optimized, and will reduce the number of tiddlers that have to be processed by !has[draft.of]

  2. While the filter[...] operator needs to use a macro because the inner filter syntax contains square brackets, the :filter[...] filter run prefix can handle the inner square brackets, so no macro is needed.

  3. You can combine multiple compare[...] operators in succession.

  4. Put the +[sort[]] operator last, as a separate filter run, using the +prefix so it applies to the results of the previous filter runs. This allows the sorting to work on the smallest final list, rather than sorting a larger list and then filtering it further.

  5. I enclosed each $list output inside <blockquote>...</blockquote> to make it look nice.

-e

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#24

Imagine that you placed the mods for each spell inside a field in that tiddler called mods, as a list, e.g: [[Costs Fatigue 1]] [[Limited Use: 1/day]]

You could then create a list for the spells that cost less than ten as follows:

<$list filter="[tag[Spell]!is[draft]] :filter[enlist{!!mods}get[cost]sum[]add[100]divide[100]multiply{!!initial-cost}trunc[]compare:integer:lteq[10]]"/>

The benefit is that if you update the cost of any of the mods, you don’t need to update the cost of each individual spell as it is calculated on the fly. Arguably this approach might be theoretically slower to list all the spells, but realistically it probably wont be a problem unless you have an enormous number of spells. All the usual caveats about premature optimization apply.

Alternatively if you really want the cost of each spell written into a field in its tiddler, consider a separate form UI for creating new spells and editing spells, that does the necessary calculations for you and creates/edits the spell tiddlers.

#25

I thought of that while designing the “Spell” tiddler. But the “creation” process has a lot of “what if” scenarios… and I like the fact that if I embed the modifier list in the tiddler itself, I could present them vertically, and, using an “auto complete” plugin, I can quickly type in a few characters, and get a list of known modifiers.

My current Spell tiddler format is:

"{{!!summary}}"<hr>
The caster creates a ball of fire in their hand, and throws it at the target (using the Innate Attack (Projectile) skill). <hr>
<$set name="mods" value="

[[Costs Fatigue 1]]
[[Limited Use: 1/day]]

">
{{||SpellTemplate}}
</$set>

Where I do require a “summary” field, and an “initial-cost” field. This seems to allow me the most freedom for creating new spells… but YMMV.

I hope to, over time, build up a large library of Spells. So I also created searches by alphabet. I wasn’t sure how to “parameterize” a transclusion, but this is what I came up with:

Spells (F)

<$vars search="F">
{{||SpellsByLetter}}
</$vars>

SpellsByLetter

<blockquote>
<$list filter="[tag[Spell]!has[draft.of]prefix<search>]  +[sort[title]]">
<$link/> [{{!!final-cost}}] "{{!!summary}}"<br>
</$list>
</blockquote>

Is there a better way to pass a parameter to a template?

#26

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#27

I truly hope that new users can/will read this thread, since I feel they might be going through the same issues that I am… and again, thank you to everyone for your suggestions and advice.

I have encountered an odd situation, not show-stopping, but odd.

[EDIT] I understand the difference now… if there is a newline after the text, the list is created vertically. Good thing to know for a new user.

Given this tiddler:

Click the various filters to view lists of Spells:

{{{[tag[Spells]sort[title]]}}}

Click the various filters to view lists of Modifiers:

{{{[tag[Modifiers]sort[title]]}}}

Templates:
{{{[tag[Template]sort[title]]}}}

That displays 3 lists of tiddlers, based on a tag. The top two list displays vertically (spells and modifiers), but the last list displays everything on a single line…
This is what is displayed:

Click the various filters to view lists of Spells:

All Spells

Spells (0-10)

Spells (11-20)

Spells (21-30)

Spells (Fire)

Spells (Ranged)

Click the various filters to view lists of Modifiers:

All Modifiers

Enhancement Modifiers

Limitation Modifiers

Zero Modifiers

Templates: ModifierTemplateSpellsByLetterSpellsByTagSpellTemplate

As I mentioned above, the difference is the added newline after the label. A useful trick, but one that caused me to lose an hour or so of effort, as I tried various tricks to get it to display “correctly”.

#28

Suggest reading up on block and inline mode for wikitext: https://tiddlywiki.com/#WikiText%20Parser%20Modes

The empty line switches the wikitext to be parsed in block mode.

#29

Thanks! That is a great reference. Sometimes I feel that the answers are out there… if I only knew where to look. And trust me, I spend 30+ minutes googling or searching tiddlywiki.com before I post anything here. I really do try to figure this stuff out before reaching out.

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#30

Personally I think tiddlywiki.com is excellent as reference documentation but can be less helpful for initial orientation when one does not know what to look for.

An excellent resource for newcomers is Soren’s Grok TiddlyWiki book:
Grok TiddlyWiki — Build a deep, lasting understanding of TiddlyWiki

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#31

Oh, I got so close… I’ve been able to figure out a lot of things (and yes, the Grok TiddlyWiki is a good read) but here I am, stuck (yet again).

I want to use a template to list spells by a complex filter.

I already have working templates like:
SpellsByTag:

<blockquote>
<$list filter="[tag[Spell]!has[draft.of]tag<search>]  +[sort[title]]">
<$link/> ({{!!spellcomponents}}) [{{!!final-cost}}] {{{ [{!!notes}!is[blank]addprefix["]addsuffix["]] || Textifier }}}<br>
</$list>
</blockquote>

Which I call like this
SpellsWithFire:

<$vars search="Fire">
{{||SpellsByTag}}
</$vars>

and SpellsByLetter:

<blockquote>
<$list filter="[tag[Spell]!has[draft.of]prefix<search>]  +[sort[title]]">
<$link/> ({{!!spellcomponents}}) [{{!!final-cost}}] {{{ [{!!notes}!is[blank]addprefix["]addsuffix["]] || Textifier }}}<br>
</$list>
</blockquote>

but when I try to make a template that uses a complex filter, such as
SpellsByFilter:

<blockquote>
<$list filter="[tag[Spell]!has[draft.of]] :filter<search> +[sort[title]]">
<$link/> ({{!!spellcomponents}}) [{{!!final-cost}}] {{{ [{!!notes}!is[blank]addprefix["]addsuffix["]] || Textifier }}}<br>
</$list>
</blockquote>

Calling it with:

<$vars search="[{!!final-cost}compare:integer:lteq[20]compare:integer:gt[10]]">
{{||SpellsByFilter}}
</$vars>

It doesn’t filter anything (it shows all of the spells).

I am basing this work on a tiddler that DOES work
Spells (10-20):

<blockquote>
<$list filter="[tag[Spell]!has[draft.of]] :filter[{!!final-cost}compare:integer:lteq[20]compare:integer:gt[10]]  +[sort[title]]">
<$link/> [{{!!final-cost}}] {{{ [{!!notes}!is[blank]addprefix["]addsuffix["]] || Textifier }}}<br>
</$list>
</blockquote>

But, of course, to make more of these, I would have to copy the complete tiddler, and update the “:filter”. Which has become a pain, as the display format for the spells is changing over time… and I have to go to each and every one of these to update them. Hence, I thought that moving the display code into a separate template tiddler would be the answer (and it is for tags and starting letters), but I can’t get it to work for arbitrary filters.

Is it possible? I’ve tried using a macro for the filter text, instead of a var, but I haven’t been able to make that work either.

You can see the work in progress here: Spells Tiddlywiki — "Magic as Powers"

#32

I see a syntax error. :filter is a filter run prefix, which determines the behaviour of an entire filter run. This is distinct from a filter operator, filter operators together constitute a filter run.

Filter operators can accept variables as their operands, filter run prefixes expect a literal string.

Two ways to accomplish the same thing instead:
[tag[Spell]!has[draft.of]filter<search>] :and[sort[title]]
or
[tag[Spell]!has[draft.of]] :filter[subfilter<search>] :and[sort[title]]

#33

Hmm… I couldn’t get the first one to work, but the second one (:filter[subfilter]) works! Again thank you.

Which, of course, has opened up a new question for me. Can you sort on multiple fields, ex: sort by cost, and then for spells that have the same cost, sort by name?

#34

Have a look at the sortsub operator and the :sort filter run prefix.

#35

I do appreciate the references, but I have spent 2 hours trying various combinations of :sort and sortsub, with no success.

I can’t even get the numbers to sort (let alone “subsort”).
[EDIT: Not to worry, I did get something else to work, see the end… this is just for documentation]

First I tried:
<$list filter="[tag[Spell]] +[sort[final-cost]]">
But it is sorting the numbers alphabetically (the final-cost is displayed in the [ ]):

Minor Smoke Cloud (VSm) [12] “-5 vision in 5 yd dia, circle, centered on self”
Fireball 1 (VS) [14] “4d burn (3 hex dia.), range 10/20”
Major Smoke Cloud (VSm) [20] “-5 vision in 11 yd dia, circle, range 20 yds”
Soul Shock (Vs) [3] “3d burn, reach C,1”
Continual Light (s) [3] “-3 vision at 10 yds, -6 at 15 yds, -9 at 20 yds.”
Summon Flame (vs) [3] “1d burn”
Blur (vs) [5] “-4 to hit”
Amplify Airwaves (S) [5] “+5 to hearing”

So then I tried:

\define fcsort = "[get[final-cost]]"

<$list filter="[tag[Spell]]  :sort[sortsub:number<fcsort>]">

But that just seems to sort by title, and completely ignores the final-cost field:

Amplify Airwaves (S) [5] “+5 to hearing”
Blur (vs) [5] “-4 to hit”
Continual Light (s) [3] “-3 vision at 10 yds, -6 at 15 yds, -9 at 20 yds.”
Fireball 1 (VS) [14] “4d burn (3 hex dia.), range 10/20”
Major Smoke Cloud (VSm) [20] “-5 vision in 11 yd dia, circle, range 20 yds”
Minor Smoke Cloud (VSm) [12] “-5 vision in 5 yd dia, circle, centered on self”
Soul Shock (Vs) [3] “3d burn, reach C,1”
Summon Flame (vs) [3] “1d burn”

Other references (https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/I6aUHAy_Eoc) seem to indicate that I should just be able to use:
<$list filter="[tag[Spell]]sort[title]sort[final-cost]]">

Which seems to work, except for the fact that final-cost is not being treated as a number:

Minor Smoke Cloud (VSm) [12] “-5 vision in 5 yd dia, circle, centered on self”
Fireball 1 (VS) [14] “4d burn (3 hex dia.), range 10/20”
Major Smoke Cloud (VSm) [20] “-5 vision in 11 yd dia, circle, range 20 yds”
Continual Light (s) [3] “-3 vision at 10 yds, -6 at 15 yds, -9 at 20 yds.”
Soul Shock (Vs) [3] “3d burn, reach C,1”
Summon Flame (vs) [3] “1d burn”
Amplify Airwaves (S) [5] “+5 to hearing”
Blur (vs) [5] “-4 to hit”

I was finally able to google an answer that worked (using nsort):
<$list filter="[tag[Spell]sort[title]nsort[final-cost]]">

Continual Light (s) [3] “-3 vision at 10 yds, -6 at 15 yds, -9 at 20 yds.”
Soul Shock (Vs) [3] “3d burn, reach C,1”
Summon Flame (vs) [3] “1d burn”
Amplify Airwaves (S) [5] “+5 to hearing”
Blur (vs) [5] “-4 to hit”
Minor Smoke Cloud (VSm) [12] “-5 vision in 5 yd dia, circle, centered on self”
Fireball 1 (VS) [14] “4d burn (3 hex dia.), range 10/20”
Major Smoke Cloud (VSm) [20] “-5 vision in 11 yd dia, circle, range 20 yds”

I will say this… it is never a boring day in Tiddler-land :wink: Thanks again for responding, and nudging me in a direction (that finally got me to where I needed to go).